OK, so delete the PMAIL folder.

Everything Pegasus installs is in there.

This describes the fun to be had trying to get PMAIL to be the default mailer under Vista.

You should just be able to change the default mail program from the control panel.

Why you cannot, may be a question for a Vista forum.

What you could do is install Pegasus in multi-user mode. See http://www.pmail.com/faqs/faqs_wsi.htm on how to go about that.

Cheers,
Steffan

No, I think the default clean install now puts the roam command in there. Pretty sure it's in the help files or the what's new or something.

[quote user="a2z"]I tried just about everything - tried to edit the pmail.ini and other posted suggestion, and then just for the heck of it I STRETCHED the miminzed icon to the size I wanted and now all is fine.

Hope this helps anyone else with this "problem".[/quote]

about solving such issues ...

[quote user="Sharkfin"]Is there a reason why good ol' Windows folder permissions can't be used? A simple Deny right for the certain people you're thinking of would surely work.[/quote]

That's not really what I meant. I've got two Pegasus users, one for business and one for private mail. A colleague of mine put a business mail in a public folder, which is accessible to all Pegasus users. I accidentally replied to the business mail from my private address, having forgotten to change users. However, as I said, I'm now running two single-user installations on my computer at work , which does in fact satisfy my purposes. It took me a while to get it running this way, though. It seems easier to me to switch from single-user mode to multi-user mode than the other way around. But never mind that. I'll just close this thread.

Cheers!
Steffan

Of course you can. There are two installers available - one is a full install and the other is simply an upgrade from, specifically, 4.51 to 4.52. Make sure you get the full one. Go to http://www.pmail.com to download the file. It's probably available on this site as well.

However, 4.52 won't work on Win95, Win98, WinME so if you've got one of those, just go to 4.51.

Don,

Hm, this sounds more like a more general issue on how you and your partner organise emails and access to them rather then something 100% related to Pegasus Mail (PM). However, PM is very flexible and supports many different scenarios to suit your needs (and it does it much better than many other clients I believe). There are many ways to go about it but here are some ideas and the way I would approach it knowing what you told us. It is fairly easy to implement and probably will do the trick.

- 1- Basic requirements (roughly as to your description - but more generalised)

• Two (or more) users
• Access to email at home
• Access to email at work (probably not work related emails)
• Access to email (mainly new emails and sending) when travelling (e.g. Internet Cafe or friends place etc.)
• One (or several) main computer with all the emails stored at home or home-office.

• I believe that two users should have and use two separate email addresses, or more generally, every user should have his/her own address!
• I have found it fairly common with many couples to share addresses. The reason for having a joint email address may be manifold and of private/personal nature, however it seems that technical issues on how to implement several email addresses may often be the main cause for it ...
• Create a separate email address for your partner or every user - easiest, mainly for configuration purposes, with the same (free) email provider (in your case Yahoo). It could also be any other email provider of course.
• Choose an email provider who provides web mail access - most of the free ones do.
• Choose a provider who allows at least POP3 access so that you could use a client do access the emails - most larger free mail providers do. General instructions on how to setup POP3 is normally included online.

• Different PM users
• PM users are using same computer
• Emails and folder trees are separate for each PM user

• Use multi-user mode in PM and create several PM users (at least one has to be Administrator). If you are currently using single-user mode you can switch as to the description:
• http://www.pmail.com/faqs/faqs_wsi.htm
• You will end up with different directories in your data/email directory. Those directories will be named as to the users you have created and contain all the emails of that user e.g.
  d:/.../data/email/don
  d:/.../data/email/abc
  d:/.../data/email/xyz
• The data/emails of each user will be kept separately and each user may create his/her own folder tree in PM etc.
• Access the first PM user account by typing in the user name when prompted by PM and enter all the personal details provided by the email provider POP3 and smtp etc.
• Repeat process for every user.
• Each PM user may now access his/her emails separately. To swap user just close PM and open it as a different user.
• To facilitate this process you may create two (or several) different PM shortcuts, one for each user.
• You may rename it to e.g "PM for user: Don" etc.
• In the shortcut property for the user "don" add "-I don" to the end of the Target line, which may look something like (depending on the location of PM):
  C:\programs\pmail\Programs\winpm-32.exe -I don
• Repeat it for the other users with the other shortcut icons.
• Every user may access his/her emails just by clicking on the icon without the need to type in the username.

• It most cases it may be sufficient to be able to access the latest emails and send some replies etc. Using the webmail Interface through your email provider using your account may well do the trick and it does not interfere with the work computer (and company policies). At the same time you can access the same messages  through PM on your home computer
• To know what you have sent when using the webmail (to have a copy of it) you may copy your own address in the Cc field for every mail you sent out. The message will arrive back in your mailbox and when you are at home you will also have that copy at home.

Messages at home as well as at work

• When you at home, e.g. in the evening, you may access your messages through PM and by default that would clear the messages from the server.
• However, if you want to have ALL messages on the server as well as a copy at home you may want to experiment with the following PM settings under:
• Tools -> Internet Mail Options - > Receiving POP3
  - under <General>: remove tick "Delete mail on server once it has been successfully retrieved"
  - under <Download controls>: put a tick in " Download only unread mail"
• These settings would leave your email on the server and PM would only download the 'unread' ones. Once you have done so (e.g. in the evening at home) you may next day sort all email into folders in your webmail.

• Different PM users
• PM users are using different computer (at home)
• Emails and folder trees are separate for each PM user on different computers.

• I assume you started off with ONE computer and later your partner/other user want to have their own computers.
• You have done as described under  - 3 - Option 1
• Copy the entire email directory and subdirectories from your old computer to the new one as to the example above:
  d:/.../data/email/
• This will of course contain emails (e.g. from yourself) that will not be needed by the new user on your new computer (e.g. your partner). This is not a problem and you may just ignore the not used section or ...
• You may delete content of irrelevant subdirectories (e.g. of ".../don") but you should leave the directory itself.
• Make sure the file "PMAIL.USR" which resides in the "d:/.../data/email/" directory (as to the above example) is being copied as well.
• Make a fresh multi-user installation of PM and point it to the ".../data/email" directory. It will recognise the different users as on the original installation including all the settings!
• Just use the PM user the PC is meant to be for from there onwards e.g. "abc" (as to the example) and disregard the rest.
• For ease of use you may set up the appropriate command line options in the short cut as described under  - 3 - Option 1.
• All the PM user settings have been transferred to the new machine.
• No change to the way the webmail is being used is necessary.

[quote user="Steffan"]

I hope I haven't completely misunderstood what

you're trying to achieve, but have you looked into the possibility of

Adding Mailbox to list (under Folders)?

Cheers!
Steffan

 Hi Steffan, and thanks for the suggestion.

Yes, that is, in fact, the thrust of Thomas R Stephenson's  post mentioned above. However, in starting out with his propsal, I did, in fact Added a Mailbox: Archive, and created one of the main folders, to hold dozens of folders (those with the yellow "Folder" icon in My Mailbox, but called "Trays" when I am adding a new one). I Opened it, then attempted to drag a (Yellow Icon) folder into it, only to be met with the message:

 You have attempted to move a folder between two mailboxes and one or both of these mailboxes does not support that operation.

The move operation cannot be performed.

Hint: Try creating a new folder in the destination mailbox, then opening it and copying the messages from the source folder into it.

As noted by Sharkfin, below:

[quote user="Sharkfin"]

NO! Not a big D'oh! for me. I can't copy whole folders from one mailbox to another, so there! I can only copy messages, so one would be required to manually recreate the folder structure, which isn't feasible for the OP.

Sorry if I got a bit carried away there!

[/quote]

 And, yes, you are exactly right -- this is not really an option. But even if I went that route, I would have to research how to move that Archive Mailbox out of the current location onto a new drive, where it can sit, but be available when I do have to go back in there, and look something up.

 The other thing that Thomas suggests is to do a backup of the current Pegasus directory, with all its messages and so forth. Then I guess that I would have to try out Stuart McLauhian's RestArch to restore them to another Pegasus-readable directory, then reattach them to Pegasus with the "Add New Mailbox to list..."

 That also does not seem to efficient, and I am not sure that it would work too well.

So, should I be beginning to get the feeling that there is really no particularly good way to Archive Pegasus' Trays, Folders and messages (along with their attachments) at the present time?

Thanks again for your interest.

[quote user="Thomas R. Stephenson"]

Secondly: Why doesn't Pegasus work at all? Other programs I have

installed on Win 7 simply trigger a question like ("Do you want this

program to modify the system?")

Because since the data is also in the same directory structure when you create a using when installing, you would be forever answering this question even when allowed to when accessing/changing data.  However since this is data access and not program access Win7 simply does not even ask if you want to do this.

 What you can do is install to C:\program files without out the option to create a user and the first time you run the program it will ask you how you want to install the program (single user, multiple user, networked) and where to install the mail directory.  You then enter a path to the location where you want to install the mailbox (single user) or top level directory (multiple users or networked).  This make is easier if you are copying from a earlier system where you had installed to C:\program files.  You copy the mailbox(es)  to someplace outside of the C:\program files directory like, c:\pmail, and then point at this when queried.

[/quote]

Great! 'Now you're talking'! This is the info I needed! This had the exact wanted effect, except for the fact that Pegasus still would not start under Win 7, even though I did NOT check the "create user" option in the install-procedure.

Now the program has it's own directory C:\Pegasusmail and all my mail from the old PC is in a directory under C:\Users\[me] with all the other data and documents. Perfect - almost - now, contrary to the earlier attempts of installation, Win7 asks "Do you want this program to modify the system?" everytime I open Pegasus...

But, thank you again to everbody!

Never mind.

 I reinstalled. I must have installed the previous download file by mistake, but it updated to v4.52.

 Stan Hilliard

[quote user="TomC"]Thanks, folks! Apparently Bob's not my uncle since I no longer use XP, but installing and registering mapipm.dll did the trick.  I thought that was already done automatically in WinPMail 4.52, but I guess not.  As always, thanks for your help!
[/quote]

MAPIPM isn't part of the installer yet, but it's very likely to change with the next release, only SetPMDefault is prepared to deal with it already.

The + and - operators have special meaning, so what you tried to accomplish won't work.

You could "abuse" the Content Control for your use. So you add a new content control definition and set a negative weight (e.g. -999) if one of your tests triggers. Then you can use a normal filter rule which triggers the header entry (X-MySpecialTrigger: 1) and then do what yo want to do with those special messages. Sounds weird but the benefit of the content control is that you can trigger on multiple header entries "IF SUBJECT CONTAINS ..." etc.

BTW, you should never try to directly edit the rule file, better use the filter rule editor for this.

Sven

[quote user="Sharkfin"]

OMG! OMG! Version 5 is out!!!!!!   :O    :P

Hold your horses. Give David a chance, huh?  :)

[/quote]

Oeps... Mind and fingers out of gear... At least, I've pointed to the correct download...

"Salvage files" using Client/32?  That should get back the deleted files, providing the volume isn't overfull.

Tom

"Salvage files" using Client/32?  That should get back the deleted files, providing the volume isn't overfull.

Tom

The first thing didn't work, but the second thing did thank heavens.  Who'da thunk it would be so easy.

 Thanks and hugs Thomas

Ok.  Sounds like I need to move Pegasus out of C:\Program Files

 Oh, wait.  Pegasus is installed in C:\PMAIL

When I installed the 4.52 upgrade, Windows 7 said something about the program not being installed correctly and would I like to "fix" it?  I said yes, and it appeared the program update ran through all the motions again.

FWIW, F-Prot A/V didn't detect any problems with 4.52 here.

Nor did  checking with all sorts of anti-virus software.

[quote user="Sharkfin"]

Can you confirm whether the filters for your new mail folder (which were on-open but are now on-close) are in a general rule set that is applied to the new mail folder via the right-click option? Do you have anything in the standard New Mail Filtering rules?

[/quote]

No, I use "New mail filtering rules", not general rules. 

[quote user="Sharkfin"] 

My standard New Mail filter rules DO move mail to other folders without me opening the New Mail folder, so I'm confused about why that isn't working. What you say about the notification window and having to click on the new mail folder to "refresh" the view DOES match my experience (at least as far as I can remember - almost all of my mail is now filtered to other folders).

 [/quote]

Hmmm. For me, the "moving" happens after the "refreshing". That why I have switched to On-Close rules — in order not to jump around in pursuit of new mail (click on the New Mail folder causing new messages to appear and get filtered, then clicking on the folder to which they were moved)... 

[quote user="Sharkfin"] 

As to your last question - about IMAP filtering - the issue you describe seems accurate. I find that the IMAP functionality of Pegasus, whilst perfectly usable, feels quite 'bolted-on' and things are not as integrated as one might expect. Well, they certainly don't FEEL properly integrated, anyway.

[/quote]

Yes, I too find it usable, and, if fact, am using it. But I would like the interface to get more convenient.

I am open to new concepts of UI, but these issues seem to me plain drawbacks, and correctable ones too.

Anton 

It seems to me that you should have some rows of Functions above each of your open windows, such as New, Reply, Forward, Delete: that sort of thing.

Why do you not check your Options, (Top Row, Tools > Options, which you can also access with Alt-F10)

Go down to User Interface, and if necessary click on the little ' + " box to see the choices there.  I have "A fixed toolbar under the menu" and "Standard" in the drop-down box under "Main window toolbar style".

Wiith these, I have all the mouse choices I could desire ...

Although for Delete, I usually have the item(s) highlighted, and hit either the Delete key or just D instead of running around with the mouse. But Green Trashcans work well, too!