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After transferring PMail from one PC to another some Problems arise

Brian, thank you very much!

The information behind the link you provided did it! Disabling "autofiltering" for the folder who receives all copies-to-self is the solution, but not the best maybe. I will explain ...

 

Enabling "Autofiltering" of mail folders seems to be a somehow "dangerous" thing!

It was the first time I ever enabled this feature on some folders and I did so right after my old installation was copied to my new win7-machine. I was just playing around ...

 

After some hard thinking I now think I have found the reason why it came that Pmail redirected the copies of outgoing!!! mail from the copy-to-self folder to some other folder where "autofiltering" was enabled.

 

Sometimes I send myself emails when I am abroad with some information I would like to work on when I am home again.

At home I put this email in a folder where it belongs to (topic wise).

If that folder now is an "auto-filtering" folder it now does what it is therefore: gathers the email address to - from now - collect all emails in- and out-going to/from this email address in this folder, and because it is the same email-address you use for sending email to whom ever, the problem that now every email sent goes to that folder (instead of the set up folder copies-to-self) "miraculously" arises.

 

This is diabolic and no wonder that many others have fallen into this hidden "trap". And will fall ...

 

So the solution is:

For this purpose it is ok to right-klick ANY folder, choose "Autofiltering ..." / "Manage Autofilter Folders". There you find all folders with auto-filtering enabled and just delete your email-address(es) whereever you find one.

There is no reason I can think of in the moment to keep anyone of your email-addresses listed under any autofiltering folder.

 

Again, many thanks to you Brian for your time, effort and finally helpful support! 

<p>Brian, thank you very much!</p><p>The information behind the link you provided did it! Disabling "autofiltering" for the folder who receives all copies-to-self is the solution, but not the best maybe. I will explain ... </p><p> </p><p>Enabling "Autofiltering" of mail folders seems to be a somehow "dangerous" thing! </p><p>It was the first time I ever enabled this feature on some folders and I did so right after my old installation was copied to my new win7-machine. I was just playing around ... </p><p> </p><p>After some hard thinking I now think I have found the reason why it came that Pmail <b><u>redirected the copies of outgoing!!! mail from the copy-to-self folder</u></b> to some other folder where "autofiltering" was enabled.</p><p> </p><p>Sometimes I send myself emails when I am abroad with some information I would like to work on when I am home again.</p><p>At home I put this email in a folder where it belongs to (topic wise).</p><p>If that folder now is an "auto-filtering" folder it now does what it is therefore: gathers the email address to - from now - collect all emails in- and out-going to/from this email address in this folder, and because it is the same email-address you use for sending email to whom ever, the problem that now every email sent goes to that folder (instead of the set up folder copies-to-self) "miraculously" arises.</p><p> </p><p>This is diabolic and no wonder that many others have fallen into this hidden "trap". And will fall ...</p><p> </p><p><u><b>So the solution is:</b></u> </p>For this purpose it is ok to right-klick ANY folder, choose "Autofiltering ..." / "Manage Autofilter Folders". There you find all folders with auto-filtering enabled and just delete<u> <b>your </b>email-address(es)</u> whereever you find one. <p>There is no reason I can think of in the moment to keep anyone of<b> your </b>email-addresses listed under any autofiltering folder. </p><p> </p><p>Again, many thanks to you Brian for your time, effort and finally helpful support!  </p>

Hello,

I have some troubles after I transferred Pmail from my XP-system  to a new Win7-machine.

Since I copied the whole PM installation to another place on my new Win7 computer (from D:\pmail to C:\PortablePrograms\pmail) I had to tweak a little bit

but I was able to get PM working within 10 minutes.


But today I realized that since that day 2 things don't work anymore.

 

1. Pmail does no longer make copies of out-going emails.

2. It also obviously forgot some outgoing messages which are still in preparation and normally can be viewed from "File/Review queued mail ...".

Interestingly it realizes that 1 email is still in the "autosaved" status and reminds me every time I start Pmail of it. When I choose to deal with it PM opens correctly that unfinished email.

 

The first problem is the one annoying me most.

I checked the setup at "Tools\Options...\Outgoing mail\Copies to self". I had and have my own folder set up for this purpose. It is there.

But I also tried to change the place to the very folder Pmail provides for this purpose ("COPYSELF")  but with no success either.

For debugging purpose I also set Pmail up to "Ask at send time"  whether a copy to self should be made, and also, if yes, to ask me where to put it.

 

When I now send mail, PM asks me if I would like to have a copy (as configured), I answer yes, but it does not ask me where to put (although configured to do so).

In the end no copy is made.

 

So it does not make a difference whether I set up PM to use a folder I have for this purpose or PM's own standard folder "COPYSELF".

The folder (my folder) is in good working condition otherwise. I can move emails in and out from it, delete emails, whatever. "Checking consistency" shows no problems.

There are also no "copy to self" rules defined. I never used this feature.

 

 As a "quick fix" I helped myself by automatically sending me a copy of each out-going email via BCC and I sort this email out when I check for new emails via some filter-rules-logic.

Via this way I can direct this copy to the folder of my choice with no problems at all. So Pmail has no problem with this folder in the first place. The problem must be somewhere else.

 

Where?

 

If someone has an idea to solve the 2. problem, the mystery of the lost "queued emails", I would appreciate that too. 


<p>Hello,</p><p>I have some troubles after I transferred Pmail from my XP-system  to a new Win7-machine.</p><p>Since I copied the whole PM installation to another place on my new Win7 computer (from D:\pmail to C:\PortablePrograms\pmail) I had to tweak a little bit</p><p>but I was able to get PM working within 10 minutes.</p><p> </p><p>But today I realized that since that day 2 things don't work anymore.</p><p> </p><p>1. Pmail does no longer make copies of out-going emails.</p><p>2. It also obviously forgot some outgoing messages which are still in preparation and normally can be viewed from "File/Review queued mail ...". </p><p>Interestingly it realizes that 1 email is still in the "autosaved" status and reminds me every time I start Pmail of it. When I choose to deal with it PM opens correctly that unfinished email. </p><p> </p><p>The first problem is the one annoying me most.</p><p>I checked the setup at "Tools\Options...\Outgoing mail\Copies to self". I had and have my own folder set up for this purpose. It is there. </p><p>But I also tried to change the place to the very folder Pmail provides for this purpose ("COPYSELF")  but with no success either.</p><p>For debugging purpose I also set Pmail up to "Ask at send time"  whether a copy to self should be made, and also, if yes, to ask me where to put it. </p><p> </p><p>When I now send mail, PM asks me if I would like to have a copy (as configured), I answer yes, but it does not ask me where to put (although configured to do so).</p><p>In the end no copy is made.</p><p> </p><p>So it does not make a difference whether I set up PM to use a folder I have for this purpose or PM's own standard folder "COPYSELF".</p><p>The folder (my folder) is in good working condition otherwise. I can move emails in and out from it, delete emails, whatever. "Checking consistency" shows no problems.</p><p>There are also no "copy to self" rules defined. I never used this feature.</p><p> </p><p> As a "quick fix" I helped myself by automatically sending me a copy of each out-going email via BCC and I sort this email out when I check for new emails via some filter-rules-logic.</p><p>Via this way I can direct this copy to the folder of my choice with no problems at all. So Pmail has no problem with this folder in the first place. The problem must be somewhere else.</p><p> </p><p>Where?</p><p> </p><p>If someone has an idea to solve the 2. problem, the mystery of the lost "queued emails", I would appreciate that too.  </p><p> </p>

It sounds like the copies to self process is working since you get prompted for a destination folder so I suspect there is a filter rule that is diverting the messages.  Keep in mind that general rules affect outgoing messages so be sure to check there. 

Also, consider sending a message with a unique subject line, doing a copy to self, then doing a header search of the entire mailbox to see if the copy exists.

As for the missing queued messages, these are stored in the home mailbox directory as either .PMO, .PMW or .PMX files.  I suspect these files weren't copied to the new mailbox location.

As for the autosaved message that won't go away, with Pegasus Mail closed, look for a zero byte .PMO, .PMX or .PMW file in the home mailbox directory and delete it.

Finally, Pegasus Mail was coded long before long file names came into being.  I don't know for certain that C:\PortablePrograms\pmail will cause any problems but if you did any manual editing of paths in config files they would be worth review to see if any correspond to the problems you are experiencing.

 

<p>It sounds like the copies to self process is working since you get prompted for a destination folder so I suspect there is a filter rule that is diverting the messages.  Keep in mind that general rules affect outgoing messages so be sure to check there.  </p><p>Also, consider sending a message with a unique subject line, doing a copy to self, then doing a header search of the entire mailbox to see if the copy exists.</p><p>As for the missing queued messages, these are stored in the home mailbox directory as either .PMO, .PMW or .PMX files.  I suspect these files weren't copied to the new mailbox location.</p><p>As for the autosaved message that won't go away, with Pegasus Mail closed, look for a zero byte .PMO, .PMX or .PMW file in the home mailbox directory and delete it. </p><p>Finally, Pegasus Mail was coded long before long file names came into being.  I don't know for certain that C:\PortablePrograms\pmail will cause any problems but if you did any manual editing of paths in config files they would be worth review to see if any correspond to the problems you are experiencing.</p><p> </p>

Thank you for taking your time, Brian!

 

As I wrote I do NOT get prompted for a destination folder, I am just asked if I would like to have a copy of email to be sent. So this hints that PM has a problem but does not even get it!

 


I am very fine with the autosaved message! :) Reminds me daily to finally do something about it. There are times when an email needs to be worded carefully :)

 

Re the missing queued messages: they seem not to be lost during transfer.

There are 10 *.pmo - files in my "mail\peter" directory. I would have expected about 5 but anyway. And I just see that they come with some other 10 *.pNx files (N not M).

Luckily they are just plain text-files so it was easy to see that they are what I was looking for. But they do not show up within Pmail.

 

With regard to too long paths I used the win command/tool vsubst to shorten the first part  C:\PortablePrograms to the virtual drive letter M:

Then I renamed  pmail.cfg and started PM from M: to initiate an installation into on M:\pmail. I also started wssetup.exe in main folder to confirm the installation into M:\pmail.

But that lane also led into nothing. PM is working, except copy-to-self and queued-emails.

 

So I need further advice.

<p>Thank you for taking your time, Brian!</p><p> </p><p>As I wrote I do NOT get prompted for a destination folder, I am just asked if I would like to have a copy of email to be sent. So this hints that PM has a problem but does not even get it! </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>I am very fine with the autosaved message! :) Reminds me daily to finally do something about it. There are times when an email needs to be worded carefully :)</p><p> </p><p>Re the missing queued messages: they seem not to be lost during transfer. </p><p>There are 10 *.pmo - files in my "mail\peter" directory. I would have expected about 5 but anyway. And I just see that they come with some other 10 *.pNx files (N not M).</p><p>Luckily they are just plain text-files so it was easy to see that they are what I was looking for. But they do not show up within Pmail. </p><p> </p><p>With regard to too long paths I used the win command/tool vsubst to shorten the first part  C:\PortablePrograms to the virtual drive letter M:</p><p>Then I renamed  pmail.cfg and started PM from M: to initiate an installation into on M:\pmail. I also started wssetup.exe in main folder to confirm the installation into M:\pmail.</p><p>But that lane also led into nothing. PM is working, except copy-to-self and queued-emails.</p><p> </p><p>So I need further advice. </p>

Go to Help > About Pegasus Mail then click the Info button.  The resulting window shows  what Pegasus Mail is reading from it's configuration files.  Posting its content into a reply will help us see as well.

 

<p>Go to Help > About Pegasus Mail then click the Info button.  The resulting window shows  what Pegasus Mail is reading from it's configuration files.  Posting its content into a reply will help us see as well. </p><p> </p>

Forgot to mention that the .PNX files are the formatted body content of the corresponding .PMO, .PMW, or .PMX file.   PMO files are either stationary or messages that were saved to be worked on again later, PMW and PMX files are queued message files.

Are you looking for the missing messages in the Open saved messages (Ctrl+O) option?

BTW, for copies to self, make sure it is enabled in Tools > Options > Outgoing mail > Messages and replies.

 

<p>Forgot to mention that the .PNX files are the formatted body content of the corresponding .PMO, .PMW, or .PMX file.   PMO files are either stationary or messages that were saved to be worked on again later, PMW and PMX files are queued message files.</p><p>Are you looking for the missing messages in the Open saved messages (Ctrl+O) option?</p><p>BTW, for copies to self, make sure it is enabled in Tools > Options > Outgoing mail > Messages and replies.</p><p> </p>

Ok, thank you for that hint!

 

it shows that it wants to read from C:\pmail .....

That was not even the location on the XP System. Very strange ....

 

it says there:

WINPMAIL.EXE directory: C:\PortableProgramme\PMAIL
Home mailbox location: C:\PMAIL\MAIL\Peter
New mailbox location: C:\PMAIL\MAIL\Peter

So how do I tell PM to change the last 2 lines to  C:\PortableProgramme\PMAIL\MAIL\Peter ?

 

<p>Ok, thank you for that hint!</p><p> </p><p>it shows that it wants to read from C:\pmail .....</p><p>That was not even the location on the XP System. Very strange ....</p><p> </p><p>it says there:</p><p>WINPMAIL.EXE directory: C:\PortableProgramme\PMAIL Home mailbox location: C:\PMAIL\MAIL\Peter New mailbox location: C:\PMAIL\MAIL\Peter </p><p>So how do I tell PM to change the last 2 lines to  C:\PortableProgramme\PMAIL\MAIL\Peter ?</p><p> </p>

Are you including the -ROAM option in the command line?

Does C:\PMAIL\MAIL\Peter exist?  If so, does it contain mailbox content?

Make a copy of PMAIL.CFG then open the copy with a text editor.  What paths do you see?

 

<p>Are you including the -ROAM option in the command line?</p><p>Does C:\PMAIL\MAIL\Peter exist?  If so, does it contain mailbox content? </p><p>Make a copy of PMAIL.CFG then open the copy with a text editor.  What paths do you see? </p><p> </p>

Okay, I sorted it out. All my fault !!!

I can't believe it but the mistake was that I thought I see my drafts in a list by clicking File/Review queued mail ..., but obviously that is not the case: it is File/Open saved messages ...., or Ctrl-O as you hinted.

Here they are! So all this effort by me and you was for nothing! Almost, at least I learned a lot ....

 

So here (ctrl-O) are all drafts, but also as I now see "Autosaved" messages. This one is the one that comes up everytime when PM is started.

 

But what then is meant with "File/Review queued mail ..."?

 

So let me say how sorry I am for using your time for a problem that did not even exist in the first place!

 

Yes, I am using the -roam switch.

Also in the meantime I have managed that on the one hand "pmail.cfg" and what is shown under "About PMail ...." shows the correct paths which I have shortened a little bit.

WINPMAIL.EXE directory: C:\PProgramme\PMAIL
Home mailbox location: C:\PPROGRAMME\PMAIL\MAIL\Peter
New mailbox location: C:\PPROGRAMME\PMAIL\MAIL\Peter

 

So what is left is the big problem of the still not working copy-to-self routine.

<p>Okay, I sorted it out. All my fault !!!</p><p>I can't believe it but the mistake was that I thought I see my drafts in a list by clicking File/Review queued mail ..., but obviously that is not the case: it is File/Open saved messages ...., or Ctrl-O as you hinted.</p><p>Here they are! So all this effort by me and you was for nothing! Almost, at least I learned a lot ....</p><p> </p><p>So here (ctrl-O) are all drafts, but also as I now see "Autosaved" messages. This one is the one that comes up everytime when PM is started.</p><p> </p><p>But what then is meant with "File/Review queued mail ..."?</p><p> </p><p>So let me say how sorry I am for using your time for a problem that did not even exist in the first place!</p><p> </p><p>Yes, I am using the -roam switch.</p><p>Also in the meantime I have managed that on the one hand "pmail.cfg" and what is shown under "About PMail ...." shows the correct paths which I have shortened a little bit. </p><p>WINPMAIL.EXE directory: C:\PProgramme\PMAIL Home mailbox location: C:\PPROGRAMME\PMAIL\MAIL\Peter New mailbox location: C:\PPROGRAMME\PMAIL\MAIL\Peter </p><p> </p><p><u>So what is left is the big problem of the still not working copy-to-self routine.</u> </p>

Re:  But what then is meant with "File/Review queued mail ..."?

Configuration allows for sending mail immediately or queueing it for sending.  Some folks queue to provide them an opportunity to review before the message is sent.  These queued messages are accessed via "File/Review queued mail ...".

As for the copyself problem, did you confirm that the "Copy to self" option is set to "On" in Tools > Options > Outgoing messages > Messages and replies?

 

<p>Re:  But what then is meant with "File/Review queued mail ..."?</p><p>Configuration allows for sending mail immediately or queueing it for sending.  Some folks queue to provide them an opportunity to review before the message is sent.  These queued messages are accessed via "File/Review queued mail ...".</p><p>As for the copyself problem, did you confirm that the "Copy to self" option is set to "On" in Tools > Options > Outgoing messages > Messages and replies?</p><p> </p>

Do you use multiple identities? If so, this setting is identity specific.

If not, I'm grasping at straws here but this is what I would try...

  • Set the copy to self option to off.
  • Select the copy to self folder using the button (don't type it in)
  • Restart Pegasus Mail
  • Set the copy to self option to on
  • Restart Pegasus Mail
  • Test

My thinking is that toggling the setting may reset the entries in the PMAIL.INI file.

 

<p>Do you use multiple identities? If so, this setting is identity specific.</p><p>If not, I'm grasping at straws here but this is what I would try...</p><ul><li>Set the copy to self option to off.</li><li>Select the copy to self folder using the button (don't type it in) </li><li>Restart Pegasus Mail</li><li>Set the copy to self option to on</li><li>Restart Pegasus Mail</li><li>Test </li></ul><p>My thinking is that toggling the setting may reset the entries in the PMAIL.INI file.</p><p> </p>

Try pursuing the solution identified in this thread:

http://community.pmail.com/forums/thread/26627.aspx

<p>Try pursuing the solution identified in this thread:</p><p>http://community.pmail.com/forums/thread/26627.aspx </p>

Thank you for that link, Brian.

Sounds promising because I started playing with autofolders for the first time after I had transferred PM to the new machine.

Will report back, but for now Good night!

<p>Thank you for that link, Brian.</p><p> Sounds promising because I started playing with autofolders for the first time after I had transferred PM to the new machine.</p><p>Will report back, but for now Good night! </p>
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