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Timeout error after filtering

Euler,


I'd be happy to show screenshots of the information if I could get copy/paste to work for this discussion. In lieu of that I'll try to explain as best I can.


The method I use to collect mail is as follows:


I have 3 identities defined - All_Mail, Bob and Paula
I list POP3 hosts TWC, Gmail and Yahoo in the All_Mail identity "Receiving (POP3"/"Check these POP3 hosts for mail" section.
"Check whenever the new nail folder is opened" is marked in this section.
Both boxes in "Checking multiple identities" are blank.


The TWC definition shows
General Tab
Server host name: mail.twc.com
Username: **@rochester.rr.com
Server TCP/IP port: 995 Timeout: 120
"Delete mail on server once it has been successfully retrieved" IS Checked
Security Tab
The only thing marked is "Via direct SSL connect"
Download Controls Tab
The only thing marked is "Download" in the "Default action ... after filtering"

The Gmail definition
Server host name: pop.gmail.com
Oauth2 is used for signon
All other parameters are exactly the same as TWC


The Yahoo definition
Server host name: pop.mail.yahoo.com
All other parameters are exactly the same as TWC


I always use only the All_Mail identity to collect mail from the multiple servers.


Euler, I'd be happy to show screenshots of the information if I could get copy/paste to work for this discussion. In lieu of that I'll try to explain as best I can. The method I use to collect mail is as follows: I have 3 identities defined - All_Mail, Bob and Paula I list POP3 hosts TWC, Gmail and Yahoo in the All_Mail identity "Receiving (POP3"/"Check these POP3 hosts for mail" section. "Check whenever the new nail folder is opened" is marked in this section. Both boxes in "Checking multiple identities" are blank. The TWC definition shows General Tab Server host name: mail.twc.com Username: ******@rochester.rr.com Server TCP/IP port: 995 Timeout: 120 "Delete mail on server once it has been successfully retrieved" **IS** Checked Security Tab The only thing marked is "Via direct SSL connect" Download Controls Tab The only thing marked is "Download" in the "Default action ... after filtering" The Gmail definition Server host name: pop.gmail.com Oauth2 is used for signon All other parameters are exactly the same as TWC The Yahoo definition Server host name: pop.mail.yahoo.com All other parameters are exactly the same as TWC I always use only the All_Mail identity to collect mail from the multiple servers.

I'd be happy to show screenshots of the information if I could get copy/paste to work for this discussion. In lieu of that I'll try to explain as best I can.

I noticed this behavior long time ago. To publish screenshots I upload them to an image server (e.g. imgbb) and then post the links here. I'm positive file upload would be the same.


[quote="pid:57662, uid:26261"]I'd be happy to show screenshots of the information if I could get copy/paste to work for this discussion. In lieu of that I'll try to explain as best I can.[/quote] I noticed this behavior long time ago. To publish screenshots I upload them to an image server (e.g. [imgbb](https://imgbb.com/ "imgbb")) and then post the links here. I'm positive file upload would be the same.

-- Euler

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Here are some of my (quite old) screeshots from Pmail Internet options:



and



Please disregard this poor example. As mentioned, these are old screenshots from a pre-OAUTH2 Pegasus Mail, but they should work.


In the list of email accounts you can see, only the first one is enabled for download, but if one or more of the others were also enabled, they would be automatically checked and their content downloaded if present. As many accounts as there are listed there, they would be checked and processed sequentially. This is the multiple downloads per account method mentioned earlier. This is the method I currently use.


Each account has this basic settings:





And here are SMTP screenshots:





Considering that you follow your mail service directions there's a pretty good chance that Pegasus Mail will carry on.


Again, please disregard the old graphics. I used these old ones because they were handy.


Here are some of my (quite old) screeshots from Pmail Internet options: https://i.ibb.co/MMSZYkJ/2019-04-18-101325.gif and https://i.ibb.co/BnLCN8g/2019-04-18-101446.gif Please disregard this poor example. As mentioned, these are old screenshots from a pre-OAUTH2 Pegasus Mail, but they should work. In the list of email accounts you can see, only the first one is enabled for download, but if one or more of the others were also enabled, they would be automatically checked and their content downloaded if present. As many accounts as there are listed there, they would be checked and processed sequentially. This is the multiple downloads per account method mentioned earlier. This is the method I currently use. Each account has this basic settings: https://i.ibb.co/ZxgyDbf/2019-04-18-101703.gif https://i.ibb.co/x841Dpt/2019-04-18-101836.gif https://i.ibb.co/PjJNMSb/2019-04-18-101903.gif And here are SMTP screenshots: https://i.ibb.co/mNsdVFq/2019-04-18-101520.gif https://i.ibb.co/xmdsPD8/2019-04-18-102000.gif https://i.ibb.co/HK1jRCw/2019-04-18-102033.gif Considering that you follow your mail service directions there's a pretty good chance that Pegasus Mail will carry on. Again, please disregard the old graphics. I used these old ones because they were handy.

-- Euler

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I noticed this behavior long time ago. To publish screenshots I upload them to an image server (e.g. imgbb) and then post the links here. I'm positive file upload would be the same.


Please take a look at the forum editor's own toolbar just above the edit section you type into for uploading image files:
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[quote="pid:57664, uid:2194"]I noticed this behavior long time ago. To publish screenshots I upload them to an image server (e.g. imgbb) and then post the links here. I'm positive file upload would be the same.[/quote] Please take a look at the forum editor's own toolbar just above the edit section you type into for uploading image files: ![682f93e224a87](serve/attachment&path=682f93e224a87)
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edited May 22 at 10:16 pm

Euler,


Thanks for the examples. OK, I tried to upload images of my settings that I consolidated into a word doc in imgbb. Here's the link https://ibb.co/39k380tx
The interesting part is that they look almost exactly like your settings except you are using Server-side POP3 filtering. I tried that and that seemed to be when this problem started. I have since removed it. I'm not having any problems with SMTP so I didn't include any info on that.


Brian seems to think my computer is too old and slow to do the filtering and then handle the SSL request to the next server. Maybe so, I have a lot of rules in my filter but I've stacked the most commonly used ones at the beginning. I even tried the "Exit immediately" entry as the first rule but that didn't seem to make any difference either. Hope you can retrieve the imgbb examples.


Michael,


I have tried to use the upload icon from the editor's toolbar and it does nothing. I have tried both copying from my clipboard and storing them on a word doc and trying to upload with that upload service but nothing seems to work. Let's see if Euler's method works.


Euler, Thanks for the examples. OK, I tried to upload images of my settings that I consolidated into a word doc in imgbb. Here's the link https://ibb.co/39k380tx The interesting part is that they look almost exactly like your settings except you are using Server-side POP3 filtering. I tried that and that seemed to be when this problem started. I have since removed it. I'm not having any problems with SMTP so I didn't include any info on that. Brian seems to think my computer is too old and slow to do the filtering and then handle the SSL request to the next server. Maybe so, I have a lot of rules in my filter but I've stacked the most commonly used ones at the beginning. I even tried the "Exit immediately" entry as the first rule but that didn't seem to make any difference either. Hope you can retrieve the imgbb examples. Michael, I have tried to use the upload icon from the editor's toolbar and it does nothing. I have tried both copying from my clipboard and storing them on a word doc and trying to upload with that upload service but nothing seems to work. Let's see if Euler's method works.

I have tried to use the upload icon from the editor's toolbar and it does nothing.


I just attempted to upload a .doc files and it fails which confirms that .doc files are not allowed. A .pdf should work, unless there are user restrictions in place. Image files should work. They get included in the body rather than as an attached file like a .pdf will.


Brian seems to think my computer is too old and slow to do the filtering and then handle the SSL request to the next server.
I DID wonder whether a slow machine with the filtering could affect the SSL requests but once that was ruled out I now lean towards a connection or ISP issue, especially since it can happen with any of the accounts, except when they are checked individually. The fact that they all work individually indicates that it is not a host configuration issue.


[quote="pid:57670, uid:26261"]I have tried to use the upload icon from the editor's toolbar and it does nothing.[/quote] I just attempted to upload a .doc files and it fails which confirms that .doc files are not allowed. A .pdf should work, unless there are user restrictions in place. Image files should work. They get included in the body rather than as an attached file like a .pdf will. [quote="pid:57670, uid:26261"]Brian seems to think my computer is too old and slow to do the filtering and then handle the SSL request to the next server.[/quote] I DID wonder whether a slow machine with the filtering could affect the SSL requests but once that was ruled out I now lean towards a connection or ISP issue, especially since it can happen with any of the accounts, except when they are checked individually. The fact that they all work individually indicates that it is not a host configuration issue.
edited May 23 at 4:05 pm

Thanks for the examples. OK, I tried to upload images of my settings that I consolidated into a word doc in imgbb. Here's the link https://ibb.co/39k380tx
The interesting part is that they look almost exactly like your settings except you are using Server-side POP3 filtering. I tried that and that seemed to be when this problem started. I have since removed it. I'm not having any problems with SMTP so I didn't include any info on that.

I looked at your screenshot but that is not what I was expecting. Here it is what is important in your case:



These several POP3 hosts you see are the those that will be polled every 300 sec. of Pmail idle time. The one you see as Disabled is the same of <Default>'s account, thus no need to check it twice. I leave it in the list just in case the <Default> identity changes its mail account.


So, can you take a screenshot of Tools > Internet options... Receiving POP3 pane?



Brian seems to think my computer is too old and slow to do the filtering and then handle the SSL request to the next server. Maybe so, I have a lot of rules in my filter but I've stacked the most commonly used ones at the beginning. I even tried the "Exit immediately" entry as the first rule but that didn't seem to make any difference either. Hope you can retrieve the imgbb examples.

Not older than mine.smile


Please take a look at the forum editor's own toolbar just above the edit section you type into for uploading image files:

And Michael, it DID WORK OUT! Something was blocking it, maybe uMatrix. All clear now. Thanks!


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[quote=&quot;pid:57670, uid:26261&quot;]Thanks for the examples. OK, I tried to upload images of my settings that I consolidated into a word doc in imgbb. Here&#039;s the link https://ibb.co/39k380tx The interesting part is that they look almost exactly like your settings except you are using Server-side POP3 filtering. I tried that and that seemed to be when this problem started. I have since removed it. I&#039;m not having any problems with SMTP so I didn&#039;t include any info on that.[/quote] I looked at your screenshot but that is not what I was expecting. Here it is what is important in your case: https://i.ibb.co/0yMRXgBC/2025-05-23-121352-b.gif These several POP3 hosts you see are the those that will be polled every 300 sec. of Pmail idle time. The one you see as Disabled is the same of &lt;Default&gt;&#039;s account, thus no need to check it twice. I leave it in the list just in case the &lt;Default&gt; identity changes its mail account. So, can you take a screenshot of Tools &gt; Internet options... Receiving POP3 pane? https://i.ibb.co/9kmkcSxn/2025-05-23-121815-b.gif [quote=&quot;pid:57670, uid:26261&quot;]Brian seems to think my computer is too old and slow to do the filtering and then handle the SSL request to the next server. Maybe so, I have a lot of rules in my filter but I&#039;ve stacked the most commonly used ones at the beginning. I even tried the &quot;Exit immediately&quot; entry as the first rule but that didn&#039;t seem to make any difference either. Hope you can retrieve the imgbb examples.[/quote] Not older than mine.:D [quote=&quot;pid:57666, uid:2133&quot;]Please take a look at the forum editor&#039;s own toolbar just above the edit section you type into for uploading image files:[/quote] And Michael, it DID WORK OUT! Something was blocking it, maybe uMatrix. All clear now. Thanks! ![683096d78105c](serve/attachment&amp;path=683096d78105c)

-- Euler

Pegasus Mail 4.81.1154 Windows 7 Ultimate
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Euler,


The image I sent to IMGBB was 7 pages long. Either I sent it wrong or IMGBB captured only the first page. I'm trying the same screenshots as a pdf. I only included the first two POP3 servers because sending the third caused a size restriction on upload. The third server (Yahoo) is identical to Gmail except for the address. Screenshots 05232025.pdf


Another thing I have observed is that even when I selectively retrieve mail from the individual servers, when I retrieve multiple messages and the progress note (on the bottom) says applying mail filtering, it takes a long time and the "Not responding" alert is posted in the title line (at the very top). Eventually it completes filtering but it seems to take an extremely long time to process even 4-5 messages. When I tried the "Exit immediately" rule, it seemed to do the same thing so I don't think the filter rules are the problem.


Euler, The image I sent to IMGBB was 7 pages long. Either I sent it wrong or IMGBB captured only the first page. I&#039;m trying the same screenshots as a pdf. I only included the first two POP3 servers because sending the third caused a size restriction on upload. The third server (Yahoo) is identical to Gmail except for the address. [Screenshots 05232025.pdf](serve/attachment&amp;path=6836e5745960e) Another thing I have observed is that even when I selectively retrieve mail from the individual servers, when I retrieve multiple messages and the progress note (on the bottom) says applying mail filtering, it takes a long time and the &quot;Not responding&quot; alert is posted in the title line (at the very top). Eventually it completes filtering but it seems to take an extremely long time to process even 4-5 messages. When I tried the &quot;Exit immediately&quot; rule, it seemed to do the same thing so I don&#039;t think the filter rules are the problem.

When I tried the "Exit immediately" rule, it seemed to do the same thing so I don't think the filter rules are the problem.


Hmmm... I didn't realize this. When the "Always Exit" trick is used, the filter still gets invoked but that rule as the first rule stops the message from being processed through the rule set. How about testing with the rule set completely out of the picture. To do this, close Pegasus Mail, rename the WINRULES.PMC file located in your mailbox directory to something like WINRULES_PMC.SAVED. Pegasus Mail will now not know of any new mail filters so you should not see "applying mail filtering" related verbiage.


[quote=&quot;pid:57687, uid:26261&quot;]When I tried the &quot;Exit immediately&quot; rule, it seemed to do the same thing so I don&#039;t think the filter rules are the problem.[/quote] Hmmm... I didn&#039;t realize this. When the &quot;Always Exit&quot; trick is used, the filter still gets invoked but that rule as the first rule stops the message from being processed through the rule set. How about testing with the rule set completely out of the picture. To do this, close Pegasus Mail, rename the WINRULES.PMC file located in your mailbox directory to something like WINRULES_PMC.SAVED. Pegasus Mail will now not know of any new mail filters so you should not see &quot;applying mail filtering&quot; related verbiage.

The image I sent to IMGBB was 7 pages long. Either I sent it wrong or IMGBB captured only the first page. I'm trying the same screenshots as a pdf. I only included the first two POP3 servers because sending the third caused a size restriction on upload. The third server (Yahoo) is identical to Gmail except for the address. Screenshots 05232025.pdf

I couldn't find any inconsistencies on your settings. My only suggestion would be changing Check for new POP3 mail every: 300 seconds [X] idle and disabling Check for new POP3 mail every:. I found that this setting makes the polling less intrusive while working on Pegasus. Of course you have to find how many seconds Pmail should wait before polling your servers.


Another thing I have observed is that even when I selectively retrieve mail from the individual servers, when I retrieve multiple messages and the progress note (on the bottom) says applying mail filtering, it takes a long time and the "Not responding" alert is posted in the title line (at the very top). Eventually it completes filtering but it seems to take an extremely long time to process even 4-5 messages. When I tried the "Exit immediately" rule, it seemed to do the same thing so I don't think the filter rules are the problem.

Now, this sounds to be a rule set problem, in your present case an incoming new mail rule set. As Brian has already pointed out, you should "disable" the entire rule set and see how the message retrieval from your multiple servers behaves. These rules are triggered as soon as a message (i.e. a .CNM file) lands in your mailbox. It is quite likely that your rule set is set up in such a way that all or almost all of the rules need to be executed, i.e., checked against each new message in the NMF. This may be taking longer than the time limit set.


[quote=&quot;pid:57687, uid:26261&quot;]The image I sent to IMGBB was 7 pages long. Either I sent it wrong or IMGBB captured only the first page. I&#039;m trying the same screenshots as a pdf. I only included the first two POP3 servers because sending the third caused a size restriction on upload. The third server (Yahoo) is identical to Gmail except for the address. Screenshots 05232025.pdf[/quote] I couldn&#039;t find any inconsistencies on your settings. My only suggestion would be changing **Check for new POP3 mail every: _300_ seconds [X] idle** and disabling _Check for new POP3 mail every:_. I found that this setting makes the polling less intrusive while working on Pegasus. Of course you have to find how many seconds Pmail should wait before polling your servers. [quote=&quot;pid:57687, uid:26261&quot;]Another thing I have observed is that even when I selectively retrieve mail from the individual servers, when I retrieve multiple messages and the progress note (on the bottom) says applying mail filtering, it takes a long time and the &quot;Not responding&quot; alert is posted in the title line (at the very top). Eventually it completes filtering but it seems to take an extremely long time to process even 4-5 messages. When I tried the &quot;Exit immediately&quot; rule, it seemed to do the same thing so I don&#039;t think the filter rules are the problem.[/quote] Now, this sounds to be a rule set problem, in your present case an **incoming new mail** rule set. As Brian has already pointed out, you should &quot;disable&quot; the entire rule set and see how the message retrieval from your multiple servers behaves. These rules are triggered as soon as a message (i.e. a .CNM file) lands in your mailbox. It is quite likely that your rule set is set up in such a way that all or almost all of the rules need to be executed, i.e., checked against each new message in the NMF. This may be taking longer than the time limit set.

-- Euler

Pegasus Mail 4.81.1154 Windows 7 Ultimate
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Interesting results! I set up the suggested changes, "check every 300 sec" "idle box checked" and renamed WINRULES.PMC to another name. I shut down Pagasus and reopened it. I'm not sure this is significant but when it first opened, the desktop was not completely restored, only the New Mail box and a couple other folders were displayed. It may have been a startup lag? Eventually the desktop was completely populated but it took an extremely long time, over a minute. I watched the progress notes at the bottom and "Applying mail filtering" still appeared and the desktop was finally completed. The result was that all the new mail stayed in the New Mail folder - no filtering actually took place that distributed the new mail to other mail folders. I looked at some of the new mail and could see that it came from all three servers. Just for kicks I turned on TCP logs and collected mail with the "Check your POP3 host for new mail" icon. As expected there was no mail in any of the servers the second time through but they all connected and signed off successfully.


This test suggests that there may be an issue with the filtering process or the rules themselves. I've gone over the rule set quite carefully and can't see anything wrong. Would it be helpful for me to redact the filter rules and send them for your review?


Interesting results! I set up the suggested changes, &quot;check every 300 sec&quot; &quot;idle box checked&quot; and renamed WINRULES.PMC to another name. I shut down Pagasus and reopened it. I&#039;m not sure this is significant but when it first opened, the desktop was not completely restored, only the New Mail box and a couple other folders were displayed. It may have been a startup lag? Eventually the desktop was completely populated but it took an extremely long time, over a minute. I watched the progress notes at the bottom and &quot;Applying mail filtering&quot; still appeared and the desktop was finally completed. The result was that all the new mail stayed in the New Mail folder - no filtering actually took place that distributed the new mail to other mail folders. I looked at some of the new mail and could see that it came from all three servers. Just for kicks I turned on TCP logs and collected mail with the &quot;Check your POP3 host for new mail&quot; icon. As expected there was no mail in any of the servers the second time through but they all connected and signed off successfully. This test suggests that there may be an issue with the filtering process or the rules themselves. I&#039;ve gone over the rule set quite carefully and can&#039;t see anything wrong. Would it be helpful for me to redact the filter rules and send them for your review?

A follow-up on the report above. The "Check every 300 sec" parameter invoked 14 instances of polling all 3 servers since I posted the above report. In all cases, the servers connected and closed successfully. Two instances actually had mail to receive. All that happened while the filtering was set off (no WINRULES.PMC file).


A follow-up on the report above. The &quot;Check every 300 sec&quot; parameter invoked 14 instances of polling all 3 servers since I posted the above report. In all cases, the servers connected and closed successfully. Two instances actually had mail to receive. All that happened while the filtering was set off (no WINRULES.PMC file).

This test suggests that there may be an issue with the filtering process or the rules themselves. I've gone over the rule set quite carefully and can't see anything wrong. Would it be helpful for me to redact the filter rules and send them for your review?
Maybe, maybe not. Methinks the real deal was disabling Check whenever the new mail folder is opened. I remember this was sort of a PITA when I was using Pmail to answer a load of tech support in a daily basis.
Unless you have Pmail running 24/7, every time you open it, and by doing so you do open NMF, all server(s) polling and inbound mail filtering will take place automatically making Pmail responsiveness too slow, specially if your computer is a bit old and using a gigantic state-of-the-art SO.


[quote=&quot;pid:57690, uid:26261&quot;]This test suggests that there may be an issue with the filtering process or the rules themselves. I&#039;ve gone over the rule set quite carefully and can&#039;t see anything wrong. Would it be helpful for me to redact the filter rules and send them for your review?[/quote]Maybe, maybe not. Methinks the real deal was disabling **Check whenever the new mail folder is opened**. I remember this was sort of a PITA when I was using Pmail to answer a load of tech support in a daily basis. Unless you have Pmail running 24/7, every time you open it, and by doing so you do open NMF, all server(s) polling and inbound mail filtering will take place automatically making Pmail responsiveness too slow, specially if your computer is a bit old and using a gigantic state-of-the-art SO.

-- Euler

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All that happened while the filtering was set off (no WINRULES.PMC file)
I'd would engage the inbound mail filtering just to see what happens now. And by the way, if your "not filtered" mail still on NMF you can run WINRULES.PMC over it "manually". First, reinstate inbound mail filtering, then...
You can move all the .CNM files on your MAILBOX directory to a \temp directory of your choice and then move them back to your MAILBOX. Pmail will recognize it as mail getting in and will act according. Maybe there's a more fancy way to achieve this but this one is the simplest and faster that I know.


[quote=&quot;pid:57691, uid:26261&quot;]All that happened while the filtering was set off (no WINRULES.PMC file)[/quote]I&#039;d would engage the inbound mail filtering just to see what happens now. And by the way, if your &quot;not filtered&quot; mail still on NMF you can run WINRULES.PMC over it &quot;manually&quot;. First, reinstate inbound mail filtering, then... You can move all the .CNM files on your MAILBOX directory to a \temp directory of your choice and then move them back to your MAILBOX. Pmail will recognize it as mail getting in and will act according. Maybe there&#039;s a more fancy way to achieve this but this one is the simplest and faster that I know.

-- Euler

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I restored the WINRULES.PMC and restarted Pegasus. Again the desktop was slow to populate, but I noticed 20 messages in the NMF. In about 30 seconds, they were processed. I believe they were from the first 2 servers because I got a connection error on the third server which I've included here. Screenshot 052925.pdf


I just turned the TCP trace on with the filtering back in place and all three servers connected and logged off successfully (no messages on any server). I'll let it run that way and see what happens. BTW, my Pegasus usually runs 24/7 but the Idle Polling time was never set so there was always a buildup of messages when I checked mail. Hopefully that's a solution or at least a work-around for the connection failures.


I restored the WINRULES.PMC and restarted Pegasus. Again the desktop was slow to populate, but I noticed 20 messages in the NMF. In about 30 seconds, they were processed. I believe they were from the first 2 servers because I got a connection error on the third server which I&#039;ve included here. [Screenshot 052925.pdf](serve/attachment&amp;path=6838cab5e8cfb) I just turned the TCP trace on with the filtering back in place and all three servers connected and logged off successfully (no messages on any server). I&#039;ll let it run that way and see what happens. BTW, my Pegasus usually runs 24/7 but the Idle Polling time was never set so there was always a buildup of messages when I checked mail. Hopefully that&#039;s a solution or at least a work-around for the connection failures.

you can run WINRULES.PMC over it "manually". First, reinstate inbound mail filtering, then...
You can move all the .CNM files on your MAILBOX directory to a \temp directory of your choice and then move them back to your MAILBOX. Pmail will recognize it as mail getting in and will act according. Maybe there's a more fancy way to achieve this but this one is the simplest and faster that I know.

All unread message are processed through the new mail filters each time the new mail folder is opened so when in List mode, just closing/opening it will trigger the filtering. In Preview mode, opening the new mail folder in its own window will do it.
I noticed 20 messages in the NMF. In about 30 seconds, they were processed.

This seems awfully long for just 20 messages. What concerns/confuses me more though is that "Applying mail filtering" still appeared when WINRULES.PMC was renamed. Is there server-side filtering (POP3 rules) involved?


BTW, I apologize for not be very responsive. I'm traveling so with family so opportunities to stick my head in here will be limited for another couple of days.


[quote=&quot;pid:57693, uid:2194&quot;]you can run WINRULES.PMC over it &quot;manually&quot;. First, reinstate inbound mail filtering, then... You can move all the .CNM files on your MAILBOX directory to a \temp directory of your choice and then move them back to your MAILBOX. Pmail will recognize it as mail getting in and will act according. Maybe there&#039;s a more fancy way to achieve this but this one is the simplest and faster that I know.[/quote] All unread message are processed through the new mail filters each time the new mail folder is opened so when in List mode, just closing/opening it will trigger the filtering. In Preview mode, opening the new mail folder in its own window will do it. [quote=&quot;pid:57694, uid:26261&quot;]I noticed 20 messages in the NMF. In about 30 seconds, they were processed.[/quote] This seems awfully long for just 20 messages. What concerns/confuses me more though is that &quot;Applying mail filtering&quot; still appeared when WINRULES.PMC was renamed. Is there server-side filtering (POP3 rules) involved? BTW, I apologize for not be very responsive. I&#039;m traveling so with family so opportunities to stick my head in here will be limited for another couple of days.

All unread message are processed through the new mail filters each time the new mail folder is opened so when in List mode, just closing/opening it will trigger the filtering. In Preview mode, opening the new mail folder in its own window will do it.
I don't think we're talking about the same thing, Brian. Not exactly, in my humble opinion. I could be completely wrong, so feel free to correct me, but there are two sets of rules related to NMF: one that runs when NMF opens (WINRULES.PMC) and the other when NMF closes (WINRULEA.PMC). The strange thing about WINRULES.PMC is that it also runs when a new email is received by Pmail or a .CNM file is copied/moved to the MAILBOX, which is pretty much the same thing. So my intention was to run only WINRULES.PMC without running WINRULEA.PMC (when NMF closes), simulating a normal email retrieval.


I use both sets of rules, but for different purposes. Typically, most of my messages are automatically directed to their archive folders via the WINRULES.PMC action. These are messages that don't require my immediate attention. Pegasus highlights the folders that have received these recent messages in a bold color, different from the one used to indicate a folder with unread messages. The remaining messages in the NMF are those that require my attention and I read them immediately and take appropriate action. Once I have finished reading the NMF, I close it and its messages are sent to the appropriate archive folders. So, if I have made myself clear enough, this is why I do not use the open and close method of the NMF. smile


Drive safely, my friend!


[quote=&quot;pid:57695, uid:28772&quot;]All unread message are processed through the new mail filters each time the new mail folder is opened so when in List mode, just closing/opening it will trigger the filtering. In Preview mode, opening the new mail folder in its own window will do it.[/quote]I don&#039;t think we&#039;re talking about the same thing, Brian. Not exactly, in my humble opinion. I could be completely wrong, so feel free to correct me, but there are two sets of rules related to NMF: one that runs when NMF opens (WINRULES.PMC) and the other when NMF closes (WINRULEA.PMC). The strange thing about WINRULES.PMC is that it also runs when a new email is received by Pmail or a .CNM file is copied/moved to the MAILBOX, which is pretty much the same thing. So my intention was to run only WINRULES.PMC without running WINRULEA.PMC (when NMF closes), simulating a normal email retrieval. I use both sets of rules, but for different purposes. Typically, most of my messages are automatically directed to their archive folders via the WINRULES.PMC action. These are messages that don&#039;t require my immediate attention. Pegasus highlights the folders that have received these recent messages in a bold color, different from the one used to indicate a folder with unread messages. The remaining messages in the NMF are those that require my attention and I read them immediately and take appropriate action. Once I have finished reading the NMF, I close it and its messages are sent to the appropriate archive folders. So, if I have made myself clear enough, this is why I do not use the open and close method of the NMF. ;) Drive safely, my friend!

-- Euler

Pegasus Mail 4.81.1154 Windows 7 Ultimate
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I don't think we're talking about the same thing, Brian. Not exactly, in my humble opinion. I could be completely wrong, so feel free to correct me, but there are two sets of rules related to NMF: one that runs when NMF opens (WINRULES.PMC) and the other when NMF closes (WINRULEA.PMC). The strange thing about WINRULES.PMC is that it also runs when a new email is received by Pmail or a .CNM file is copied/moved to the MAILBOX, which is pretty much the same thing. So my intention was to run only WINRULES.PMC without running WINRULEA.PMC (when NMF closes), simulating a normal email retrieval.


This makes perfect sense, and is a valid consideration, worthy of the question "Do you use a NMF folder-close filter set?" before suggesting the close/open cycle.


Something that befuddles me with Bob's issue is how long his filtering is taking. In my experience, the time it takes to process hundreds of messages through an extensive NMF filter set is barely noticeable so I'm wondering whether different filtering could be active.
Also, an unknown to me is what happens when the logic in a NMF set is faulty, say with an infinite loop.


[quote=&quot;pid:57696, uid:2194&quot;]I don&#039;t think we&#039;re talking about the same thing, Brian. Not exactly, in my humble opinion. I could be completely wrong, so feel free to correct me, but there are two sets of rules related to NMF: one that runs when NMF opens (WINRULES.PMC) and the other when NMF closes (WINRULEA.PMC). The strange thing about WINRULES.PMC is that it also runs when a new email is received by Pmail or a .CNM file is copied/moved to the MAILBOX, which is pretty much the same thing. So my intention was to run only WINRULES.PMC without running WINRULEA.PMC (when NMF closes), simulating a normal email retrieval.[/quote] This makes perfect sense, and is a valid consideration, worthy of the question &quot;Do you use a NMF folder-close filter set?&quot; before suggesting the close/open cycle. Something that befuddles me with Bob&#039;s issue is how long his filtering is taking. In my experience, the time it takes to process hundreds of messages through an extensive NMF filter set is barely noticeable so I&#039;m wondering whether different filtering could be active. Also, an unknown to me is what happens when the logic in a NMF set is faulty, say with an infinite loop.

Also, an unknown to me is what happens when the logic in a NMF set is faulty, say with an infinite loop.

I've seen several actions that can/will delay a rule action. For example, if you set it to play a sound every time a rule action is taken and another when it is not that sound length is added to that of the rule. Another thing to consider is once a rule is satisfied it should exit the rule set or it will go all the way down to the bottom of the rule set doing nothing, or worse, doing wrong.


Considering that a set of rules is executed from top to bottom, I think it is a good idea to create them as subroutines (Labels, preferably commented). This will give the user more control over the actions and will offer him the chance to chain them together to satisfy more complex actions.


Finally, actions such as moving messages to folders, changing colors, statuses, and other parameters are practically instantaneous. Others, such as saving attachments to disk (I use this option frequently), take longer, but are rarely noticed. Another action that has a greater impact on execution time is reading and/or maintaining lists, especially if they are very large. Since these lists are not indexed, their reading, I believe, is also top-down until they are satisfied (or not). I also keep a small window displaying System Messages. It helps me keep track of most actions.


[quote=&quot;pid:57707, uid:28772&quot;]Also, an unknown to me is what happens when the logic in a NMF set is faulty, say with an infinite loop.[/quote] I&#039;ve seen several actions that can/will delay a rule action. For example, if you set it to play a sound every time a rule action is taken and another when it is not that sound length is added to that of the rule. Another thing to consider is once a rule is satisfied it should exit the rule set or it will go all the way down to the bottom of the rule set doing nothing, or worse, doing wrong. Considering that a set of rules is executed from top to bottom, I think it is a good idea to create them as subroutines (Labels, preferably commented). This will give the user more control over the actions and will offer him the chance to chain them together to satisfy more complex actions. Finally, actions such as moving messages to folders, changing colors, statuses, and other parameters are practically instantaneous. Others, such as saving attachments to disk (I use this option frequently), take longer, but are rarely noticed. Another action that has a greater impact on execution time is reading and/or maintaining lists, especially if they are very large. Since these lists are not indexed, their reading, I believe, is also top-down until they are satisfied (or not). I also keep a small window displaying System Messages. It helps me keep track of most actions.

-- Euler

Pegasus Mail 4.81.1154 Windows 7 Ultimate
IERenderer: 2.7.2.8 AttachMenu: 1.0.2.0
PMDebug: 2.5.8.37 BearHTML 4.9.9.6

I agree that it seems to be the filtering that is causing a problem. After taking Euler's suggestion to establish Polling Controls, I set them up with 3600 seconds and checked the idle box. With those parameters on, mail collected for the entire day and at the end of the day, I had collected many emails, mostly junk, in my NMF. When I opened that folder Pegasus went immediately into the filtering process. As it progressed, at the top of the window the "Not Responding" message appeared for a few seconds (maybe 10-12). The process eventually finished and all the mail was distributed to its appropriate folders or deleted per the filtering instructions. I'm not doing any unusual filtering, just checking headers (From, Subject & Sender) for certain text or email addresses and moving the mail to a specified folder or deleting it. I only have 2 "Logical And" rule sets, all others are either Move or Delete. I have structured the rules so the the most frequently received mail (junk usually) is at the top of the filter set so it doesn't require a long search time.


I agree that it seems to be the filtering that is causing a problem. After taking Euler&#039;s suggestion to establish Polling Controls, I set them up with 3600 seconds and checked the idle box. With those parameters on, mail collected for the entire day and at the end of the day, I had collected many emails, mostly junk, in my NMF. When I opened that folder Pegasus went immediately into the filtering process. As it progressed, at the top of the window the &quot;Not Responding&quot; message appeared for a few seconds (maybe 10-12). The process eventually finished and all the mail was distributed to its appropriate folders or deleted per the filtering instructions. I&#039;m not doing any unusual filtering, just checking headers (From, Subject &amp; Sender) for certain text or email addresses and moving the mail to a specified folder or deleting it. I only have 2 &quot;Logical And&quot; rule sets, all others are either Move or Delete. I have structured the rules so the the most frequently received mail (junk usually) is at the top of the filter set so it doesn&#039;t require a long search time.
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