Having just had a rant about some the failure of some links in messages received in Pegasus 4.72 it occurred to me to check in about upgrades, and I see I'm WAY behind!

Am I right in thinking that the annoyance of clicking on links and getting nothing but a yellow triangle has now been resolved in 4.91?

Regardless, its clearly time to upgrade - is the process as described elsewhere - close & backup, install 4.91 and point the installation at the current program folder?

I'm still running it under Windows 7 - but as far as I can see that is still supported (I shall move almost entirely to Linux in the future) - but after 30 or more years using Pegasus i dont want to change!

Any advice, tricks and traps and warnings greatefully received!

In your Pegasus Mail, go into Help > About Pegasus Mail then click the Info button. In the resulting report locate the entries for "Home mailbox location" and "New mailbox location" and post those paths into a reply. Surprisingly, those two paths will tell us a lot about your current installation from which we can offer specific advice if needed.

AFAIK, Pegasus Mail and its currently included HTML renderer called IE Renderer will still run on Windows 7 but I'm hopeful someone will post and confirm that.

Yes, it does.

Thanks Brian - I dont think I've ever looked at that page before! Anyway - the relevant data is
Home mailbox location: C:\PMAIL\MAIL\Hugh
New mailbox location: C:\PMAIL\MAIL\Hugh

do you need anything more?

Thanks Michael - am I right in thinking that the annoyance of not being able to click on links (and sometimes having to go to the raw data to find the URL) has been resolved in 4.91?

Nope. I don't anticipate you should have any problems just running the v4.91 installer to upgrade your existing installation. It should identify that an existing installation exists and offer to upgrade it. If it doesn't, or if there is any indication that it is trying to do a new installation, cancel it and post back about what you saw. I recommend this attentiveness because the installer has been modified to deal with how Win10 and Win11 record installed programs in the registry differently from Win7. I don't have experience with it on Win7 hence my advice to be attentive.

Back up C:\PMAIL including all files and subdirectories first.

Hugh, IERenderer is the preferred HTML renderer now included with Pegasus Mail. BearHTML is also still included but is no longer being maintained. I mention this because IERenderer has been updated since v4.91 was released so I advise that once you complete the upgrade to 4.91 you make sure IERenderer is enabled and then update it.

Thanks Brian - I'll do all this a) when I've backed up (that will take long enough!) and b) when I'm feeling strong :-)

I'll report back in due course

hugh

I'm not aware of anyone having such an issue except for you. IOW: Provided you update IER to it's most recent version (2.7.4.0, see Brian's previous reply) and still encounter a link-related issue I need sample messages (forwarded as attachments, please!) to beta-reports[@]pmail.gen.nz !).

I should not take long at all provided you have room on C: for a copy of your current C:\PMAIL directory. My process is to create a new directory, say C:\PMAIL_472 and then copy all of the content of C:\PMAIL to it, which should be two directories, C:\PMAIL\MAIL and C:\PMAIL\Programs. An advantage to doing it this way is that if something goes wrong during the upgrade (unlikely), you can recover to the before-upgrade state simply by renaming C:\PMAIL to C:\PMAIL_bad and then renaming C:\PMAIL_472 to C:\PMAIL.

If only! For reasons now well buried in the past i seem to have put the Programs folder on the desktop, while Mail is in a (sensible) C:\Pmail folder! And its got several odd bits of old copies (like Mail-x in there too.

I THINK that all I really have to do is start over by renaming the existing c:\pmail to pmail_472, installing 4.91 to a (new) pmail folder and then copying over all the existing Mail folder (ignoring the junk!) over the new one that the 4.91 install will create.

Why on earth did i do somerthing so complicated to begin with! I think it must be stuff left over from multiple machine switches down the years... <sigh> it may have seemed like a good idea at the time!

Actually, while I'm at it, I might simply switch the lot onto another machine anyway - the one its on is getting old and irritable!

Go to the Info button in Help > About Pegasus Mail and look for the "WINPMAIL.EXE directory:" entry to confirm the path where the program files exist.

Also, I am curious what you mean by "Mail-x in there too".

That would likely work, but if you are up to it, doing a clean install of 4.91 and then copying just the data from the existing mailbox would remove traces of old installations and any gremlins that may be associated with them. This is relatively easy if you are comfortable with file manipulation using a file explorer, have one Pegasus Mail user, and only one or two identities. If this approach intrigues you, take a look at the whitepaper available in the Add-ons section of this site. Here is the URL to that topic: https://community.pmail.com/index.php?u=/topic/11490/

Check back in before installing 4.91. The installer has been modified in a way that makes it easy to end up with a single-user installation when you need it to be multi-user, which is the case for you. This is not a problem when doing an upgrade, but a tip or two may be helpful if doing a clean install with the intent of using an existing mailbox or its data.

I wont bother you with it, Michael, until and unless its still a problem (unlikely I think) once I've fully updated everything. ITs likely to be a side effect of being well out of date I'd guess.

Yes - I'm definitely thinking of a clean install on another machine now. Moving files around holds no terrors - I've up to 7 machines on the network here and all sorts of old HDDs which get hung on for vaarious reasons. "Mail-x" was, I think , a copy of the normal Mail folder - why its there is buried in the mists of time!

It wil be a single user installation with two or three identities, as will be my wife's Pegasus (on a different machine) which I'll upgrade once I've sorted out mine, so it looks as though a clean install should do the trick. I'll read that article and get back to you if I've any other queries - thanks for your help.

I'll be watching this thread.

I advise against doing a single-user installation even though your intent is for there to be only one user. Functionally, a multi-user installation is no different from a single-user one, but these are the considerations.

1. It is not easy to turn a single-user installation into a multi-user one should you ever want to.

2. Those of us who have been around Pegasus Mail for awhile are accustomed to our mailbox directory being in \Pmail\MAIL\<username>. If you do a single-user installation, your mailbox directory will be \Pmail\MAIL. The location that you have now of \Pmail\MAIL\Hugh will not be an option.

I you decide to install multi-user, there are a couple of tricks worth knowing before you start.

I'd disagree with you on it being difficult change. For someone that has computer knowledge it can be done. If don't follow the basic things below, DO NOT ATTEMPT IT.
I've done it a number of times, just to see, and never had any issues.
I have opted to stay with Single user setup.
Use Linux, so different users on same machine would already have totally different setups under each user.
For my directory, I have 3 identities, that all all are in the same single user.

My multi-user I just run with -I Admin for the primary user and -I Janedoe for the other.

Again, if you are not command line capable, stop here.

this is a standard setup using C:\PMAIL

I've tested doing the change from single user to multi and also changing from multi-user to single. Just two main files seem to need modification in my test, and look at contents of a third one.

Single user setup has this. My REAL Pegasus.
4 ./MAIL/IMC-3E9
4 ./MAIL/RmtFiles
28 ./MAIL/savepnd
76 ./Programs/DEFAULTS
112 ./MAIL/TCPLogs
116 ./MAIL/ADMIN
484 ./Programs/RESOURCE
1412 ./Programs/PNG
2132 ./Programs/save
15348 ./Programs/DICTS
51800 ./Programs
4023948 ./MAIL
4075828 .

My testing Multi-user setup - run under root user directory, just for test.
du . | sort -n
4 ./MAIL/JaneDoe
76 ./Programs/DEFAULTS
288 ./MAIL/ADMIN
408 ./MAIL
484 ./Programs/RESOURCE
1412 ./Programs/PNG
2132 ./Programs/save
3688 ./Programs/usave
15348 ./Programs/DICTS
55484 ./Programs
55896 .

First File that is different Special null terminated data. Use PCONFIG32.EXE to modify
Multi-user file has ~N with simple type
C:\PMAIL\MAIL~NC:\PMAIL\MAIL~N
Single user does not have ~N
C:\PMAIL\MAILC:\PMAIL\MAIL

Binary difference between files
POS Mult Single
14 134 0
15 176 0
16 116 0
80 134 0
81 176 0
82 116 0

Mult-user has just 1 file in C:\PMAIL\MAIL and then user subdirectories.
./ADMIN
./JaneDoe
PMAIL.USR
A;Admin;Mail Administrator
A;JaneDoe;JaneDoe

In Single user the PMAIL.USR has
PMAIL.USR
; PMAIL.USR Pegasus Mail user database.
A;Admin;Mail Administrator

Unlike the multi-user setup, where it only then has sub-directories. The single user has the files in C:\PMAIL\MAIL in my case 367 total files.

Do have a few subdirectories, but are the dummy Admin that got create, and regular user subdirectories.
du .
116 ./ADMIN
28 ./savepnd
112 ./TCPLogs
4 ./RmtFiles
4 ./IMC-3E9

The other critical file is PMAIL.INI lines that have C:
PMAIL\MAIL\ADMIN file lines multi-user
Working home mailbox location = C:\PMAIL\MAIL\ADMIN
New mailbox location = C:\PMAIL\MAIL\ADMIN
PMAIL\MAIL file lines in single user.
Working home mailbox location = C:\PMAIL\MAIL
New mailbox location = C:\PMAIL\MAIL

To convertions that I've done just as test.
First. Totally backup everything 100%.
Second use PCONFIG32 to either add the ~N or remove the ~N
If changing Multi-user to Single-user would move all files and subdirectories in C:\PMAIL\MAIL\ADMIN to C:\PMAIL\MAIL.
if changing from Single-user to Multi-user, would move all the files except PMAIL.USR from C:\PMAIL\MAIL to C:\PMAIL\MAIL\ADMIN

Probable just move all files, and then move C:\PMAIL\MAIL\ADMIN\PMAIL.USR back.

Finally edit the PMAIL.INI File and set the directory to the correct path for lines with C:

<grin> I'm quite capable of those changes (been programming since the late 60's!) but do I want to bother! Looking at my current (weird!) setup I'll probably stay with multi - after all, it doesnt really make any difference and clearly that's what it is at present. Now all I need to do is decide which machine I want to host it on and under which O/S!
It's been ages since I changed things around (on the 'aint broke dont fix it' principle) but the machine Pegasus is on at present is occasionaly playing up with uncommanded reboots etc so its probably time to shift that core bit of my system to something more reliable.

Got me beat. Started programming in mid 70's on an IBM 1130 with 4K of Ram and punched card. First PC was a Heathkit H-120 with dual-cpus 8080 and 8088 (8Mhz) in 1983. Dual floppies since 20M hard disk was a $2000 additional cost.

Started with Pegasu Mail DOS on Novell 2.2 network shortly after it came out.

Good Luck.

<grin> first machine I had anything to do with was the UL Atlas - friend of mine was chief programmer and I played around making the Frieden Flexowriters print things out the way we wanted - analysis rather than true programming really - taking the raw code and interpreting it so that someone else could alter it to do what we wanted.

First real programming was a mix of running Algol programs on an Eliott 4100 around 1970 and using the brand new desktop Olivetti Programma P101 - a 16 bit machine with mag cards & delay line memory with areas of the memory which could be used either for data or program - great fun - design the data in such a way that it turned into program after it had been read in!

First micro was a Transam Tuscan - built from scratch. We are in process of bringing it back to life at The Computer Sheds in Fimber where I volunteer :-)

Pegasus - GOK when I first used it - possibly on my old Osborne!