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Read Messages don't move to Email Received Folder

I have been a Pegasus user since the early 1990's


This is a first. I am still on 4.8,


When I exit Pegasus read New Mail does not move to my email received Folder? I looked in Options and I the move new mail is allowed?


I have been a Pegasus user since the early 1990's This is a first. I am still on 4.8, When I exit Pegasus read New Mail does not move to my email received Folder? I looked in Options and I the move new mail is allowed?

There may be some sort of corruption to the folder files of your email received folder, or perhaps it has reached the 2GB file size limit. If the folder is huge you might consider just leaving it as an archive and using a new folder going forward. If you don't think the 2GB size limit is the issue then try reindexing it then restarting Pegasus Mail to see if that solves the problem.


If it doesn't, please test using a newly created folder as the email received folder.


  • Create a new folder.
  • Go to Tools > Options > Basic settings then use the "Select folder" button to select the newly created folder that populates the "Name for default mail folder:" field. Use the button, don't just type in the new folder's name.
  • While in Tools > Options > Basic settings, confirm that the "Allow read messages to stay in the new mail folder" is not ticked. Keep in mind that these setting are Identity specific.
  • Restart Pegasus Mail and see if the read messages have been moved.

There may be some sort of corruption to the folder files of your email received folder, or perhaps it has reached the 2GB file size limit. If the folder is huge you might consider just leaving it as an archive and using a new folder going forward. If you don't think the 2GB size limit is the issue then try reindexing it then restarting Pegasus Mail to see if that solves the problem. If it doesn't, please test using a newly created folder as the email received folder. - Create a new folder. - Go to Tools > Options > Basic settings then use the "Select folder" button to select the newly created folder that populates the "Name for default mail folder:" field. Use the button, don't just type in the new folder's name. - While in Tools > Options > Basic settings, confirm that the "Allow read messages to stay in the new mail folder" is not ticked. Keep in mind that these setting are Identity specific. - Restart Pegasus Mail and see if the read messages have been moved.

Brian,


You were correct. I simply moved several large files from email received to a new folder, and now read files in New Mail can and has moved over. I was at near maximum size. However, this is odd. I now have 2 identical email received folders with the exact same size and name showing? Both open and seem to work? I tried to remove one, but it deleted both.


Brian, You were correct. I simply moved several large files from email received to a new folder, and now read files in New Mail can and has moved over. I was at near maximum size. However, this is odd. I now have 2 identical email received folders with the exact same size and name showing? Both open and seem to work? I tried to remove one, but it deleted both.

Both open and seem to work? I tried to remove one, but it deleted both


Oh no! I hope you were able to recover from this.


We have seen the duplicate folder issue before, just recently in fact, with a problem similar to yours. It appears that in both cases the duplicate was in name only, so not a duplicate folder but a duplicate entry in the folder list. In the other case, a restart of Pegasus Mail solved the problem.


[quote="pid:59037, uid:38672"]Both open and seem to work? I tried to remove one, but it deleted both[/quote] Oh no! I hope you were able to recover from this. We have seen the duplicate folder issue before, just recently in fact, with a problem similar to yours. It appears that in both cases the duplicate was in name only, so not a duplicate folder but a duplicate entry in the folder list. In the other case, a restart of Pegasus Mail solved the problem.

Brian,


I restart still shows a duplicate email received folder. But I am not seeing any harm from this yet?


Brian, I restart still shows a duplicate email received folder. But I am not seeing any harm from this yet?

I restart still shows a duplicate email received folder. But I am not seeing any harm from this yet?


Pegasus Mail uses unique filenames for its folder files so I suggest checking the filename of both of these to confirm they are different. If they are, renaming one of them would be prudent. After renaming, go back to Tools > Options > Basic settings and re-select the folder you want as the default mail folder.


To find the filename associated with a folder, right click on the folder in the Folder list then select "Folder information...". You will see the associated .PMM filename in the resulting display.


[quote="pid:59048, uid:38672"]I restart still shows a duplicate email received folder. But I am not seeing any harm from this yet?[/quote] Pegasus Mail uses unique filenames for its folder files so I suggest checking the filename of both of these to confirm they are different. If they are, renaming one of them would be prudent. After renaming, go back to Tools > Options > Basic settings and re-select the folder you want as the default mail folder. To find the filename associated with a folder, right click on the folder in the Folder list then select "Folder information...". You will see the associated .PMM filename in the resulting display.

Brian,


Now I have 4 email received...it was 2 an hour ago. Under folder information they all show exact same file size and name and location... They all open the same file. No errors yet. just weird.


Brian, Now I have 4 email received...it was 2 an hour ago. Under folder information they all show exact same file size and name and location... They all open the same file. No errors yet. just weird.

Now I have 4 email received...it was 2 an hour ago


This is concerning. Here are a couple of things that I would consider doing if this was happening to me.


  1. I would put Pegasus Mail offline, rename this folder, create a new email received folder, move all messages from the renamed folder to the new one, select the new one as the default mail folder, restart Pegasus Mail.

  2. Rebuild HIERARCH.PM (the file that maintains the Folder list), but ONLY if you don't use Trays in your Folder list (a rebuild will remove any Tray structure). To do a rebuild, close Pegasus Mail, rename the HIERARCH.PM file located in your New mailbox directory, start Pegasus Mail. It will poll all folder files to populate the Folder list, creating a new HIERARCH.PM file in the process.


[quote="pid:59052, uid:38672"]Now I have 4 email received...it was 2 an hour ago[/quote] This is concerning. Here are a couple of things that I would consider doing if this was happening to me. 1. I would put Pegasus Mail offline, rename this folder, create a new email received folder, move all messages from the renamed folder to the new one, select the new one as the default mail folder, restart Pegasus Mail. 2. Rebuild HIERARCH.PM (the file that maintains the Folder list), but ONLY if you don't use Trays in your Folder list (a rebuild will remove any Tray structure). To do a rebuild, close Pegasus Mail, rename the HIERARCH.PM file located in your New mailbox directory, start Pegasus Mail. It will poll all folder files to populate the Folder list, creating a new HIERARCH.PM file in the process.

Thanks again Brian,


I am afraid to mess with Pegasus to much, as I am afraid I could lose data. Since it seems stable right now, even though I still show 2 email received folders, and sometimes 4-5, I think I will not touch it. Now if we could share a screen, and you walked me through, I would do that?


Paul


Thanks again Brian, I am afraid to mess with Pegasus to much, as I am afraid I could lose data. Since it seems stable right now, even though I still show 2 email received folders, and sometimes 4-5, I think I will not touch it. Now if we could share a screen, and you walked me through, I would do that? Paul

Now if we could share a screen, and you walked me through, I would do that?


I don't do remote support like that. If your installation is a default one where the program files and mail data is all i C:\Pmail then it is extremely easy to backup Pegasus Mail simply by making a copy of C:\Pmail. You can then attempt fixes and should something unexpected happen, you simply revert to the copy.


If you don't know the details of your installation, go to Help > About Pegasus Mail then click the Info button. Copy the entire content of the resulting display and paste it into a reply. I contains the details of the installation but nothing personal or security related. I am happy to take a look a that and then post a step-by-step of how I would approach solving the issue although an important question is: Do you have a Tray structure in your folder list, and if so, how onerous would it be to recreate it?


[quote="pid:59071, uid:38672"]Now if we could share a screen, and you walked me through, I would do that?[/quote] I don't do remote support like that. If your installation is a default one where the program files and mail data is all i C:\Pmail then it is extremely easy to backup Pegasus Mail simply by making a copy of C:\Pmail. You can then attempt fixes and should something unexpected happen, you simply revert to the copy. If you don't know the details of your installation, go to Help > About Pegasus Mail then click the Info button. Copy the entire content of the resulting display and paste it into a reply. I contains the details of the installation but nothing personal or security related. I am happy to take a look a that and then post a step-by-step of how I would approach solving the issue although an important question is: Do you have a Tray structure in your folder list, and if so, how onerous would it be to recreate it?

Brian,


First question....all my issues are in email mail received. I still have 2 identical folders...but when I look at the files in Explorer I see I have multible .pmm .pmi combos? Should I only have one pair?


So here it is..


Pegasus Mail for Microsoft Windows
Copyright (C) 1992-2022, David Harris, all rights reserved
Electronic mail to support@pmail.gen.nz.


WinPMail version: Version 4.80.1028, Jan 16 2022, build ID 1028
Language resources: Standard UK English resources (EN,0,LL)
Extension Manager version: 1.14
Operating mode: Standalone
User name and ID: Admin, 0
Windows version: 6.2
Windows flag word: 0
WINPMAIL.EXE directory: C:\PMAIL\Programs
Home mailbox location: C:\PMAIL\MAIL\ADMIN
New mailbox location: C:\PMAIL\MAIL\Admin
TMP environment variable: C:\Users\2000\AppData\Local\Temp
TEMP environment variable: C:\Users\2000\AppData\Local\Temp
LAN-based SMTP support: N, N, N
NetWare MHS support: N, N, N
Built-in TCP/IP support: Enabled


  • WINSOCK version: WinSock 2.0
  • WINSOCK path: WSOCK32.DLLCommandline: -roam -AActive -Z options: 32768PMR variable: (None)PML variable: (None)MAI variable: (None)NB variable: (None)Autofiltering folders: 0 (0 active, 0 inactive)Last new mail count: 639Message size soft limit: 0 bytesMessage size hard limit: 0 bytesAttachment size soft limit: 0 bytesAttachment size hard limit: 0 bytes

Brian, First question....all my issues are in email mail received. I still have 2 identical folders...but when I look at the files in Explorer I see I have multible .pmm .pmi combos? Should I only have one pair? So here it is.. Pegasus Mail for Microsoft Windows Copyright (C) 1992-2022, David Harris, all rights reserved Electronic mail to support@pmail.gen.nz. WinPMail version: Version 4.80.1028, Jan 16 2022, build ID 1028 Language resources: Standard UK English resources (EN,0,LL) Extension Manager version: 1.14 Operating mode: Standalone User name and ID: Admin, 0 Windows version: 6.2 Windows flag word: 0 WINPMAIL.EXE directory: C:\PMAIL\Programs Home mailbox location: C:\PMAIL\MAIL\ADMIN New mailbox location: C:\PMAIL\MAIL\Admin TMP environment variable: C:\Users\2000\AppData\Local\Temp TEMP environment variable: C:\Users\2000\AppData\Local\Temp LAN-based SMTP support: N, N, N NetWare MHS support: N, N, N Built-in TCP/IP support: Enabled - WINSOCK version: WinSock 2.0 - WINSOCK path: WSOCK32.DLL Commandline: -roam -A Active -Z options: 32768 PMR variable: (None) PML variable: (None) MAI variable: (None) NB variable: (None) Autofiltering folders: 0 (0 active, 0 inactive) Last new mail count: 639 Message size soft limit: 0 bytes Message size hard limit: 0 bytes Attachment size soft limit: 0 bytes Attachment size hard limit: 0 bytes

PMM and PMI pairs are for each Pegasus Mail folder you have. So number should match to your folders.


In my setup, I have program to rename folders so they have names linked to folder.
Old DOS version allowed one to rename folders easily. I wrote program to do same.
So my folders have names versus having most be FOL*.


ls .PMM .PMI -1
1440.PMI
1440.PMM
ACCOUNT.PMI
ACCOUNT.PMM
AFT.PMI
AFT.PMM
ALUMNI.PMI
ALUMNI.PMM
AMAZON.PMI
AMAZON.PMM
AMZOLD.PMI
AMZOLD.PMM
ANALOGX.PMI
ANALOGX.PMM
BACKUP.PMI
BACKUP.PMM
BILL521.PMI
BILL521.PMM
BLOODBANK.PMI
BLOODBANK.PMM
BOYCOTT.PMI
BOYCOTT.PMM
BRAIN.PMI
BRAIN.PMM
COLLECTZ.PMI
COLLECTZ.PMM
COPY1314.PMI
COPY1314.PMM
COPY2000.PMI
COPY2000.PMM
COPY2001.PMI
COPY2001.PMM
COPY2002.PMI
COPY2002.PMM
COPY2003.PMI
COPY2003.PMM
COPY2004.PMI
COPY2004.PMM
COPY2005.PMI
COPY2005.PMM
COPY2006.PMI
COPY2006.PMM
COPY2007.PMI
COPY2007.PMM
COPY2008.PMI
COPY2008.PMM
COPY2009.PMI
COPY2009.PMM
COPY2010.PMI
COPY2010.PMM
COPY2011.PMI
COPY2011.PMM
COPY2012.PMI
COPY2012.PMM
COPY2015.PMI
COPY2015.PMM
COPY2016.PMI
COPY2016.PMM
COPY2017.PMI
COPY2017.PMM
COPY2018.PMI
COPY2018.PMM
COPY2019.PMI
COPY2019.PMM
COPY2020.PMI
COPY2020.PMM
COPY2021.PMI
COPY2021.PMM
COPY2022.PMI
COPY2022.PMM
COPYSELF.PMI
COPYSELF.PMM
C.PMI
C.PMM
CUSTCARE.PMI
CUSTCARE.PMM
DAD1.PMI
DAD1.PMM
DAD2.PMI
DAD2.PMM
DAD.PMI
DAD.PMM
DHARRIS.PMI
DHARRIS.PMM
DISNEY.PMI
DISNEY.PMM
DONNA_SUMMERS.PMI
DONNA_SUMMERS.PMM
EBAYOLD2.PMI
EBAYOLD2.PMM
EBAYOLD.PMI
EBAYOLD.PMM
EBAY.PMI
EBAY.PMM
ELAINE1.PMI
ELAINE1.PMM
ELAINE2.PMI
ELAINE2.PMM
ELAINE3.PMI
ELAINE3.PMM
ELAINE.PMI
ELAINE.PMM
FEDORA.PMI
FEDORA.PMM
G4L0408.PMI
G4L0408.PMM
G4L0909.PMI
G4L0909.PMM
G4L1011.PMI
G4L1011.PMM
G4L1213.PMI
G4L1213.PMM
G4L1418.PMI
G4L1418.PMM
G4L1920.PMI
G4L1920.PMM
G4L2122.PMI
G4L2122.PMM
G4L2324.PMI
G4L2324.PMM
G4L.PMI
G4L.PMM
G4U.PMI
G4U.PMM
GFT.PMI
GFT.PMM
GRC.PMI
GRC.PMM
GRUB.PMI
GRUB.PMM
HARLEY.PMI
HARLEY.PMM
HERC-XENA.PMI
HERC-XENA.PMM
IBM.PMI
IBM.PMM
JAY.PMI
JAY.PMM
JUNK.PMI
JUNK.PMM
KERNEL.PMI
KERNEL.PMM
KEVIN.PMI
KEVIN.PMM
KUENTOS.PMI
KUENTOS.PMM
LIBRE.PMI
LIBRE.PMM
LINUX.PMI
LINUX.PMM
LYNDAE.PMI
LYNDAE.PMM
MAIN2003.PMI
MAIN2003.PMM
MAIN2004.PMI
MAIN2004.PMM
MAIN2005.PMI
MAIN2005.PMM
MAIN2006.PMI
MAIN2006.PMM
MAIN2007.PMI
MAIN2007.PMM
MAIN2008.PMI
MAIN2008.PMM
MAIN.PMI
MAIN.PMM
MERCURY.PMI
MERCURY.PMM
MOM-ORG.PMI
MOM-ORG.PMM
MOM.PMI
MOM.PMM
OPENCOB.PMI
OPENCOB.PMM
OXFORD.PMI
OXFORD.PMM
PMAIL2020.PMI
PMAIL2020.PMM
PMAIL2021.PMI
PMAIL2021.PMM
PMAIL2022.PMI
PMAIL2022.PMM
PMAIL2023.PMI
PMAIL2023.PMM
PMAIL2024.PMI
PMAIL2024.PMM
PMAIL2025.PMI
PMAIL2025.PMM
PMAIL.PMI
PMAIL.PMM
PM-NEWS.PMI
PM-NEWS.PMM
REDHAT.PMI
REDHAT.PMM
SALIVE.PMI
SALIVE.PMM
SPAMH.PMI
SPAMH.PMM
SPAM.PMI
SPAM.PMM
SQUID.PMI
SQUID.PMM
SYSLINUX.PMI
SYSLINUX.PMM
TIGHTVNC.PMI
TIGHTVNC.PMM
TISHAWNNA.PMI
TISHAWNNA.PMM
USPS2018.PMI
USPS2018.PMM
USPS2019.PMI
USPS2019.PMM
USPS2020.PMI
USPS2020.PMM
USPS2021.PMI
USPS2021.PMM
USPS2022.PMI
USPS2022.PMM
USPS.PMI
USPS.PMM
WATT.PMI
WATT.PMM
WEBCAL.PMI
WEBCAL.PMM
WGET2.PMI
WGET2.PMM
ZHAOPEI.PMI
ZHAOPEI.PMM


Just way I like to see things. Don't like having to figure which pair is which.


PMM and PMI pairs are for each Pegasus Mail folder you have. So number should match to your folders. In my setup, I have program to rename folders so they have names linked to folder. Old DOS version allowed one to rename folders easily. I wrote program to do same. So my folders have names versus having most be FOL*. ls *.PMM *.PMI -1 1440.PMI 1440.PMM ACCOUNT.PMI ACCOUNT.PMM AFT.PMI AFT.PMM ALUMNI.PMI ALUMNI.PMM AMAZON.PMI AMAZON.PMM AMZOLD.PMI AMZOLD.PMM ANALOGX.PMI ANALOGX.PMM BACKUP.PMI BACKUP.PMM BILL521.PMI BILL521.PMM BLOODBANK.PMI BLOODBANK.PMM BOYCOTT.PMI BOYCOTT.PMM BRAIN.PMI BRAIN.PMM COLLECTZ.PMI COLLECTZ.PMM COPY1314.PMI COPY1314.PMM COPY2000.PMI COPY2000.PMM COPY2001.PMI COPY2001.PMM COPY2002.PMI COPY2002.PMM COPY2003.PMI COPY2003.PMM COPY2004.PMI COPY2004.PMM COPY2005.PMI COPY2005.PMM COPY2006.PMI COPY2006.PMM COPY2007.PMI COPY2007.PMM COPY2008.PMI COPY2008.PMM COPY2009.PMI COPY2009.PMM COPY2010.PMI COPY2010.PMM COPY2011.PMI COPY2011.PMM COPY2012.PMI COPY2012.PMM COPY2015.PMI COPY2015.PMM COPY2016.PMI COPY2016.PMM COPY2017.PMI COPY2017.PMM COPY2018.PMI COPY2018.PMM COPY2019.PMI COPY2019.PMM COPY2020.PMI COPY2020.PMM COPY2021.PMI COPY2021.PMM COPY2022.PMI COPY2022.PMM COPYSELF.PMI COPYSELF.PMM C.PMI C.PMM CUSTCARE.PMI CUSTCARE.PMM DAD1.PMI DAD1.PMM DAD2.PMI DAD2.PMM DAD.PMI DAD.PMM DHARRIS.PMI DHARRIS.PMM DISNEY.PMI DISNEY.PMM DONNA_SUMMERS.PMI DONNA_SUMMERS.PMM EBAYOLD2.PMI EBAYOLD2.PMM EBAYOLD.PMI EBAYOLD.PMM EBAY.PMI EBAY.PMM ELAINE1.PMI ELAINE1.PMM ELAINE2.PMI ELAINE2.PMM ELAINE3.PMI ELAINE3.PMM ELAINE.PMI ELAINE.PMM FEDORA.PMI FEDORA.PMM G4L0408.PMI G4L0408.PMM G4L0909.PMI G4L0909.PMM G4L1011.PMI G4L1011.PMM G4L1213.PMI G4L1213.PMM G4L1418.PMI G4L1418.PMM G4L1920.PMI G4L1920.PMM G4L2122.PMI G4L2122.PMM G4L2324.PMI G4L2324.PMM G4L.PMI G4L.PMM G4U.PMI G4U.PMM GFT.PMI GFT.PMM GRC.PMI GRC.PMM GRUB.PMI GRUB.PMM HARLEY.PMI HARLEY.PMM HERC-XENA.PMI HERC-XENA.PMM IBM.PMI IBM.PMM JAY.PMI JAY.PMM JUNK.PMI JUNK.PMM KERNEL.PMI KERNEL.PMM KEVIN.PMI KEVIN.PMM KUENTOS.PMI KUENTOS.PMM LIBRE.PMI LIBRE.PMM LINUX.PMI LINUX.PMM LYNDAE.PMI LYNDAE.PMM MAIN2003.PMI MAIN2003.PMM MAIN2004.PMI MAIN2004.PMM MAIN2005.PMI MAIN2005.PMM MAIN2006.PMI MAIN2006.PMM MAIN2007.PMI MAIN2007.PMM MAIN2008.PMI MAIN2008.PMM MAIN.PMI MAIN.PMM MERCURY.PMI MERCURY.PMM MOM-ORG.PMI MOM-ORG.PMM MOM.PMI MOM.PMM OPENCOB.PMI OPENCOB.PMM OXFORD.PMI OXFORD.PMM PMAIL2020.PMI PMAIL2020.PMM PMAIL2021.PMI PMAIL2021.PMM PMAIL2022.PMI PMAIL2022.PMM PMAIL2023.PMI PMAIL2023.PMM PMAIL2024.PMI PMAIL2024.PMM PMAIL2025.PMI PMAIL2025.PMM PMAIL.PMI PMAIL.PMM PM-NEWS.PMI PM-NEWS.PMM REDHAT.PMI REDHAT.PMM SALIVE.PMI SALIVE.PMM SPAMH.PMI SPAMH.PMM SPAM.PMI SPAM.PMM SQUID.PMI SQUID.PMM SYSLINUX.PMI SYSLINUX.PMM TIGHTVNC.PMI TIGHTVNC.PMM TISHAWNNA.PMI TISHAWNNA.PMM USPS2018.PMI USPS2018.PMM USPS2019.PMI USPS2019.PMM USPS2020.PMI USPS2020.PMM USPS2021.PMI USPS2021.PMM USPS2022.PMI USPS2022.PMM USPS.PMI USPS.PMM WATT.PMI WATT.PMM WEBCAL.PMI WEBCAL.PMM WGET2.PMI WGET2.PMM ZHAOPEI.PMI ZHAOPEI.PMM Just way I like to see things. Don't like having to figure which pair is which.

mikes@guam.net

First question....all my issues are in email mail received. I still have 2 identical folders...but when I look at the files in Explorer I see I have multible .pmm .pmi combos? Should I only have one pair?


@msetzerii explained the association of .pmm/.pmi file pairs with Pegasus Mail folders. An exception is the New Mail folder. It does not have an associated file pair. I simply lists all messages that exist in the form of new messages (.cnm files).

You said, "email mail received" but IIRC your the folders you are referring to are named "email received". Also, IIRC, when you right-click on each one of them in the folder list and check their folder information, they both show the same filename. If that remains the case, AND changes made in the message content in one of them is reflected in the other one, then you will have to decide whether you want to take on the challenge of removing one of them from the folder list. I don't know what this would entail, but I suspect some trial and error may be required in which case backups with preparation for restoration would be important. I am traveling for the next 7 days so may not be readily available until I get home. I would also want a new discussion dedicated to that so if you want to pursue it, I suggest starting a new discussion sometime the later part of next week with a subject related to removing a duplicate folder in the folder list.


[quote="pid:59111, uid:38672"]First question....all my issues are in email mail received. I still have 2 identical folders...but when I look at the files in Explorer I see I have multible .pmm .pmi combos? Should I only have one pair?[/quote] @msetzerii explained the association of .pmm/.pmi file pairs with Pegasus Mail folders. An exception is the New Mail folder. It does not have an associated file pair. I simply lists all messages that exist in the form of new messages (.cnm files). You said, "email mail received" but IIRC your the folders you are referring to are named "email received". Also, IIRC, when you right-click on each one of them in the folder list and check their folder information, they both show the same filename. If that remains the case, AND changes made in the message content in one of them is reflected in the other one, then you will have to decide whether you want to take on the challenge of removing one of them from the folder list. I don't know what this would entail, but I suspect some trial and error may be required in which case backups with preparation for restoration would be important. I am traveling for the next 7 days so may not be readily available until I get home. I would also want a new discussion dedicated to that so if you want to pursue it, I suggest starting a new discussion sometime the later part of next week with a subject related to removing a duplicate folder in the folder list.
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