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<P>Hi Sabahattin</P> <P>Your mail came through without any problems, thanks for the check.</P> <P>The postmaster problem remains though.</P> <P>And, yes, it would be good to send plain text mail, but HTML is so useful and conveys meaning in a much better and intuitive style.</P>

Hi folks

Following on from my last thread I have successfully setup mailing lists for staff use. I populated the membership manually and they are working fine.

Next, I thought I would setup a list that required email subscriptions to join. I have setup the list, but I cannot join it.

According to the Mercury help manual the command to type in the body of the message is:

SUBSCRIBE <list-name> [Full name]

Presumably list-name refers to the name of the list as it appears in the list of mail lists. I have setup a list named External and so have substituted 'external' for '<list-name>'. What does Full Name mean? I can not see any entry for 'Full name' in any of the mail list configuration dialogs. I thought maybe it referred to the email address. And, should there be a subject?

When I send a subscribe command to the list I address the mail to maiser@mydomain.co.uk and have tried various combinations to get it to work. Each time maiser returns:

Maiser: No command text section in message.

Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong please?

Edit:

Here's the entry from lists.mer

External
   File:             E:\MailLists\Test\external.mlf
   Title:            external
   Welcome:          Standard
   Farewell:         Standard
   Moderator:        greenman@apsarchaeology.co.uk
   Restricted:       Y
   Enumerate:        N
   Errors_to:        greenman@apsarchaeology.co.uk
   Reply_to_list:    N
   Anonymous:        Y
   Public:           Y
   Archive:          E:\MailLists\Test\external~D-~M-~Y.log
   Confirm_subs:     Y
   Mod_redirect:     Y
   Password_Posting: N
   P_Password_File:  N
   Prefixing:        1
   Prefix_string:    External Test List:
   S_Password_File:  N
   VERP_mode:        0
   VERP_maxerrs:     0
   VERP_flags:       0
   VERP_filename:   
   List_ID:          107
   Def_Password: 

 

Edit 2:

I was trying to subscribe from within the same domain i.e. I was sending a subcribe message from my local account to maiser@apsarchaeology.co.uk. I did this because I was waiting for the maiser address to propogate through our MessageLabs service. After the maiser address was available externally, I sent a subscribe command from my gmail account and it worked fine. Man, I was starting to get frustrated [:D]

Why won't the maiser account recognise commands sent locally?

&lt;P&gt;Hi folks&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Following on from my last thread I have successfully setup mailing lists for staff use. I populated the membership manually and they are working fine.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Next, I thought I would setup a list that required email subscriptions to join. I have setup the list, but I cannot join it.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;According to the Mercury help manual the&amp;nbsp;command to&amp;nbsp;type in the body of the message&amp;nbsp;is:&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;SUBSCRIBE &amp;lt;list-name&amp;gt; [Full name]&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Presumably list-name refers to the name of the list as it appears in the list of mail lists. I have setup a list named External and so have substituted &#039;external&#039; for &#039;&amp;lt;list-name&amp;gt;&#039;. What does Full Name mean? I can not see any entry for &#039;Full name&#039; in any of&amp;nbsp;the mail list configuration dialogs. I thought maybe it referred to the email address. And, should there be a subject?&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;When I send a subscribe command to the list I address the mail to maiser@mydomain.co.uk and have tried various combinations to get it to work. Each time maiser returns:&lt;FONT size=2&gt;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Maiser: No command text section in message.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong please?&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Edit:&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Here&#039;s the entry from lists.mer&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;External &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; File:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; E:\MailLists\Test\external.mlf &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Title:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; external &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Welcome:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Standard &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Farewell:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Standard &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Moderator:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; greenman@apsarchaeology.co.uk &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Restricted:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Y &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Enumerate:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; N &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Errors_to:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; greenman@apsarchaeology.co.uk &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Reply_to_list:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; N &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Anonymous:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Y &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Public:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Y &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Archive:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; E:\MailLists\Test\external~D-~M-~Y.log &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Confirm_subs:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Y &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Mod_redirect:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Y &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Password_Posting: N &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; P_Password_File:&amp;nbsp; N &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Prefixing:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 1 &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Prefix_string:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; External Test List: &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; S_Password_File:&amp;nbsp; N &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; VERP_mode:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0 &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; VERP_maxerrs:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0 &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; VERP_flags:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0 &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; VERP_filename:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; List_ID:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 107 &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Def_Password:&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Edit 2:&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;I was trying to subscribe from within the same domain i.e. I was sending a subcribe message from my local account to maiser@apsarchaeology.co.uk. I did this because I was waiting for the maiser address to propogate through our MessageLabs service. After the maiser address was available externally, I sent a subscribe command from my gmail account and it worked fine. Man, I was starting to get frustrated [:D]&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Why won&#039;t the maiser account recognise commands sent locally?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;

SUBSCRIBE <list-name> [Full name]

Presumably list-name refers to the name of the list as it appears in

the list of mail lists. I have setup a list named External and so have

substituted 'external' for '<list-name>'. What does Full Name

mean? I can not see any entry for 'Full name' in any of the mail list

configuration dialogs. I thought maybe it referred to the email

address. And, should there be a subject?

 Subscribe external Thomas Stephenson

When I send a subscribe command to the list I address the mail to

maiser@mydomain.co.uk and have tried various combinations to get it to

work. Each time maiser returns:

Maiser: No command text section in message.

Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong please?

Not sure here.  The maiser address is maiser@<Internet name for this system>.  Have you entered "mydomain.co.uk" here?  If not then you will have to alias maiser@mydomain.co.uk to the proper address.

 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;SUBSCRIBE &amp;lt;list-name&amp;gt; [Full name]&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Presumably list-name refers to the name of the list as it appears in the list of mail lists. I have setup a list named External and so have substituted &#039;external&#039; for &#039;&amp;lt;list-name&amp;gt;&#039;. What does Full Name mean? I can not see any entry for &#039;Full name&#039; in any of&amp;nbsp;the mail list configuration dialogs. I thought maybe it referred to the email address. And, should there be a subject?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;Subscribe external Thomas Stephenson&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;When I send a subscribe command to the list I address the mail to maiser@mydomain.co.uk and have tried various combinations to get it to work. Each time maiser returns:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Maiser: No command text section in message.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong please?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Not sure here.&amp;nbsp; The maiser address is maiser@&amp;lt;Internet name for this system&amp;gt;.&amp;nbsp; Have you entered &quot;mydomain.co.uk&quot; here?&amp;nbsp; If not then you will have to alias maiser@mydomain.co.uk to the proper address.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

You can probably work out now from the mailing list manager dialog that <Full Name> means the full name of the subscriber.  :-)  So if I want on your list, I'd do:

 

To: maiser@dontspamthis.apsarchaeology.co.uk

X-SpamThisInstead: feedme@yamta.org (shameless!)

Subject: whatever

 

Body (3 lines including a blank):

subscribe external

exit

 

Make sure your messages really are complete 2822 messages when delivered to maiser.  Use the Send Message option from Mercury and it should work.  Mail submitted without headers, a blank line and commands in body aren't going to work.  There has to be at least a readable plaintext portion; common for most mailers, even the webmail ones.

 

Tip: don't forget the HTTP server, MercuryB.  It has limited, but useful, mailing list support.

 

Cheers,

Sabahattin

 

&lt;P&gt;You can probably work out now from the mailing list manager dialog that &amp;lt;Full Name&amp;gt; means the full name of the subscriber.&amp;nbsp; :-)&amp;nbsp; So if I want on your list, I&#039;d do:&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;To: &lt;A href=&quot;mailto:maiser@dontspamthis.apsarchaeology.co.uk&quot;&gt;maiser@dontspamthis.apsarchaeology.co.uk&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;X-SpamThisInstead: &lt;A href=&quot;mailto:feedme@yamta.org&quot;&gt;feedme@yamta.org&lt;/A&gt; (shameless!)&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Subject: whatever&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Body (3 lines including a blank):&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;subscribe external&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;exit&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Make sure your messages really are complete 2822 messages when delivered to maiser.&amp;nbsp; Use the Send Message option from Mercury and it should work.&amp;nbsp; Mail submitted without headers, a blank line and commands in body aren&#039;t going to work.&amp;nbsp; There has to be at least a readable plaintext portion; common for most mailers, even the webmail ones.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Tip: don&#039;t forget the HTTP server, MercuryB.&amp;nbsp; It has limited, but useful, mailing list support.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Cheers,&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Sabahattin&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;

Thank you, Thomas

When I was sending the command locally I addressed the command to maiser@apsarchaeology.co.uk. Addressing it to maiser did not work presumably because it was treating it as a local address.

&lt;P&gt;Thank you, Thomas&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;When I was sending the command locally I addressed the command to maiser@apsarchaeology.co.uk. Addressing it to maiser did not work presumably because it was treating it as a local address.&lt;/P&gt;

[quote user="Sebby"]

You can probably work out now from the mailing list manager dialog that <Full Name> means the full name of the subscriber.  :-)

[/quote]

hehe - I've subscribed to lists in the past using this technique, but when you have to set it up yourself and work it out you can over-analyse it LOL!

 

[quote user="Sebby"]

So if I want on your list, I'd do:

 

To: maiser@dontspamthis.apsarchaeology.co.uk

X-SpamThisInstead: feedme@yamta.org (shameless!)

Subject: whatever

 

Body (3 lines including a blank):

subscribe external

exit

 

Make sure your messages really are complete 2822 messages when delivered to maiser.  Use the Send Message option from Mercury and it should work.  Mail submitted without headers, a blank line and commands in body aren't going to work.  There has to be at least a readable plaintext portion; common for most mailers, even the webmail ones.

[/quote]

When I sent the (correct) command locally the body of the email contained

SUBSCRIBE external

and nothing else. Watching the core module shows mail from greenman@apsarchaeology.co.uk being delivered to maiser, and then maiser will respond with the error. Also, I thought that command processing would stop when a blank line was encountered. You mention a send message option in Mercury - I don't understand what you mean here. I've looked through the options for the mailing list but cannot find it.

[quote user="Sebby"]

Tip: don't forget the HTTP server, MercuryB.  It has limited, but useful, mailing list support.

 

Cheers,

Sabahattin

[/quote]

We thought about this, but because we do not host our domain, we setup an A Record to point mail.apsarchaeology.co.uk to our IP address. This was to stop 550 verification errors when sending mail as apsarchaeology.co.uk. If I type http://ipaddress or http://mail.aps... then the username and password prompt for the router will appear, which is actually very convenient. Any attempt to add /mlss to this results in a 404 error. My colleague was saying that when he was testing Mercury32 he managed to move the interface to another port, but cannot remember how this was done. So, this is something which I need to sort out.

The important thing is that is works a treat using the email commands.

Thanks a lot for your post.

[quote user=&quot;Sebby&quot;] &lt;P&gt;You can probably work out now from the mailing list manager dialog that &amp;lt;Full Name&amp;gt; means the full name of the subscriber.&amp;nbsp; :-)&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;[/quote]&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;hehe - I&#039;ve subscribed to lists in the past using this technique, but when you have to set it up yourself and&amp;nbsp;work it out&amp;nbsp;you can over-analyse it LOL!&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;[quote user=&quot;Sebby&quot;] &lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;So if I want on your list, I&#039;d do:&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;To: &lt;A href=&quot;mailto:maiser@dontspamthis.apsarchaeology.co.uk&quot; mce_href=&quot;mailto:maiser@dontspamthis.apsarchaeology.co.uk&quot;&gt;maiser@dontspamthis.apsarchaeology.co.uk&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;X-SpamThisInstead: &lt;A href=&quot;mailto:feedme@yamta.org&quot; mce_href=&quot;mailto:feedme@yamta.org&quot;&gt;feedme@yamta.org&lt;/A&gt; (shameless!)&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Subject: whatever&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Body (3 lines including a blank):&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;subscribe external&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;exit&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Make sure your messages really are complete 2822 messages when delivered to maiser.&amp;nbsp; Use the Send Message option from Mercury and it should work.&amp;nbsp; Mail submitted without headers, a blank line and commands in body aren&#039;t going to work.&amp;nbsp; There has to be at least a readable plaintext portion; common for most mailers, even the webmail ones.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;[/quote]&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;When I sent the (correct)&amp;nbsp;command locally the body of the email contained&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;SUBSCRIBE external&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;and nothing else. Watching the core module shows mail from greenman@apsarchaeology.co.uk being delivered to maiser, and then maiser will&amp;nbsp;respond with the error. Also, I thought that command processing would stop when a blank line was encountered.&amp;nbsp;You mention a send message option in Mercury - I don&#039;t understand what you mean here. I&#039;ve looked through the options for the mailing list but cannot find it.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;[quote user=&quot;Sebby&quot;] &lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Tip: don&#039;t forget the HTTP server, MercuryB.&amp;nbsp; It has limited, but useful, mailing list support.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Cheers,&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Sabahattin&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;[/quote]&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;We thought about this, but because we do not host our domain, we setup an&amp;nbsp;A Record to point&amp;nbsp;mail.apsarchaeology.co.uk to our IP address. This was to stop 550 verification errors when sending mail as apsarchaeology.co.uk. If I type http://ipaddress or http://mail.aps... then the username and password prompt for the router will appear, which is actually very convenient. Any attempt to add /mlss to this results in a 404 error. My colleague was saying that when he was testing Mercury32 he managed to move the interface to another port, but cannot remember how this was done. So, this is something which I need to sort out.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;The important thing is that is works a treat using the email commands.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;Thanks a lot for your post.&lt;/P&gt;

OK, another question if I may.

How can you populate membership of a mailing list without entering each member individually? We have several hundred addresses in a distribution list in Pegasus Mail that we would like to transfer to a mailing list. Is it possible to import addresses in bulk?

Thanks

&lt;P&gt;OK, another question if I may.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;How can you populate membership of a mailing list without entering each member individually? We have several hundred addresses in a distribution list in Pegasus Mail that we would like to transfer to a mailing list. Is it possible to import addresses in bulk?&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Thanks&lt;/P&gt;

[quote user="Greenman"]

[quote user="Sebby"]

So if I want on your list, I'd do:

 

To: maiser@dontspamthis.apsarchaeology.co.uk

X-SpamThisInstead: feedme@yamta.org (shameless!)

Subject: whatever

 

Body (3 lines including a blank):

subscribe external

exit

 

Make sure your messages really are complete 2822 messages when delivered to maiser.  Use the Send Message option from Mercury and it should work.  Mail submitted without headers, a blank line and commands in body aren't going to work.  There has to be at least a readable plaintext portion; common for most mailers, even the webmail ones.

[/quote]

 

When I sent the (correct) command locally the body of the email contained

SUBSCRIBE external

and nothing else. Watching the core module shows mail from greenman@apsarchaeology.co.uk being delivered to maiser, and then maiser will respond with the error. Also, I thought that command processing would stop when a blank line was encountered. You mention a send message option in Mercury - I don't understand what you mean here. I've looked through the options for the mailing list but cannot find it.

[/quote]

 

Adding "exit" is just a sure way to avoid confusion (for instance, no signature will get in the way).  It isn't strictly necessary; as you say, a blank line will do.  Make sure there's at least one before the end of message, just in case Mercury reads an incomplete line (some mailers don't finish with a blank line for some obscure reason).

 

Look on the File menu of Mercury for the "Send Mail Message" option.  It's described in the help system; it's on the index as something like "Sending mail messages from within Mercury".

 

[quote user="Greenman"]

 [quote user="Sebby"]

Tip: don't forget the HTTP server, MercuryB.  It has limited, but useful, mailing list support.

 

Cheers,

Sabahattin

[/quote]

 

We thought about this, but because we do not host our domain, we setup an A Record to point mail.apsarchaeology.co.uk to our IP address. This was to stop 550 verification errors when sending mail as apsarchaeology.co.uk.

[/quote]

 

Sorry, not quite sure how that works ...  Verification probes (of the does-sender-exist type done by Exim) call the authoritative MXs to do the probing.  That would mean your antispam service, which is your MX for the primary domain (Message Labs).  The mail hostname presumably isn't used on the net at all except by that service and when your relaying outbound on your own box.  Since you won't use addresses like somebody@mail.apsarchaeology.co.uk, I'd guess we aren't actually talking about the same thing.  Can you recall the particular kind of verification?

 

[quote user="Greenman"]

 If I type http://ipaddress or http://mail.aps... then the username and password prompt for the router will appear, which is actually very convenient. Any attempt to add /mlss to this results in a 404 error. My colleague was saying that when he was testing Mercury32 he managed to move the interface to another port, but cannot remember how this was done.

[/quote]

 

Of course, changing port is your only option - either of the router or of MercuryB.  You'll need two distinct ports; whichever you use for MercuryB would get forwarded to the server.  That port can be configured in the MercuryB dialog if I recall.  You'll then have to update your HTTP URLs to include :portnumber after the hostname (EG http://mail.aps...:8080/blah).

 

Good luck!

 

 Cheers,

Sabahattin

 

&lt;P&gt;[quote user=&quot;Greenman&quot;]&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;[quote user=&quot;Sebby&quot;] &lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;So if I want on your list, I&#039;d do:&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;To: &lt;A href=&quot;mailto:maiser@dontspamthis.apsarchaeology.co.uk&quot; mce_href=&quot;mailto:maiser@dontspamthis.apsarchaeology.co.uk&quot;&gt;maiser@dontspamthis.apsarchaeology.co.uk&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;X-SpamThisInstead: &lt;A href=&quot;mailto:feedme@yamta.org&quot; mce_href=&quot;mailto:feedme@yamta.org&quot;&gt;feedme@yamta.org&lt;/A&gt; (shameless!)&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Subject: whatever&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Body (3 lines including a blank):&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;subscribe external&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;exit&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Make sure your messages really are complete 2822 messages when delivered to maiser.&amp;nbsp; Use the Send Message option from Mercury and it should work.&amp;nbsp; Mail submitted without headers, a blank line and commands in body aren&#039;t going to work.&amp;nbsp; There has to be at least a readable plaintext portion; common for most mailers, even the webmail ones.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;[/quote]&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;When I sent the (correct)&amp;nbsp;command locally the body of the email contained&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;SUBSCRIBE external&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;and nothing else. Watching the core module shows mail from greenman@apsarchaeology.co.uk being delivered to maiser, and then maiser will&amp;nbsp;respond with the error. Also, I thought that command processing would stop when a blank line was encountered.&amp;nbsp;You mention a send message option in Mercury - I don&#039;t understand what you mean here. I&#039;ve looked through the options for the mailing list but cannot find it.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;[/quote]&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;Adding &quot;exit&quot; is just a sure way to avoid confusion (for instance, no signature will get in the way).&amp;nbsp; It isn&#039;t strictly necessary; as you say, a blank line will do.&amp;nbsp; Make sure there&#039;s at least one before the end of message, just in case Mercury reads an incomplete line (some mailers don&#039;t finish with a&amp;nbsp;blank line for some obscure reason).&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;Look on the File menu of Mercury for the &quot;Send Mail Message&quot; option.&amp;nbsp; It&#039;s described in the help system; it&#039;s on the index as something like &quot;Sending mail messages from within Mercury&quot;.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;[quote user=&quot;Greenman&quot;]&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;[quote user=&quot;Sebby&quot;] &lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Tip: don&#039;t forget the HTTP server, MercuryB.&amp;nbsp; It has limited, but useful, mailing list support.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Cheers,&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Sabahattin&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;[/quote]&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;We thought about this, but because we do not host our domain, we setup an&amp;nbsp;A Record to point&amp;nbsp;mail.apsarchaeology.co.uk to our IP address. This was to stop 550 verification errors when sending mail as apsarchaeology.co.uk.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;[/quote]&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;Sorry, not quite sure how that works ...&amp;nbsp; Verification probes (of the does-sender-exist type done by Exim) call the authoritative MXs to do the probing.&amp;nbsp; That would mean your antispam service, which is your MX for the primary domain (Message Labs).&amp;nbsp; The mail hostname presumably isn&#039;t used on the net at all except by that service and when your relaying outbound on your own box.&amp;nbsp; Since you won&#039;t use addresses like &lt;A href=&quot;mailto:somebody@mail.apsarchaeology.co.uk&quot;&gt;somebody@mail.apsarchaeology.co.uk&lt;/A&gt;, I&#039;d guess we aren&#039;t actually talking about the same thing.&amp;nbsp; Can you recall the particular kind of verification?&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;[quote user=&quot;Greenman&quot;]&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;If I type http://ipaddress or http://mail.aps... then the username and password prompt for the router will appear, which is actually very convenient. Any attempt to add /mlss to this results in a 404 error. My colleague was saying that when he was testing Mercury32 he managed to move the interface to another port, but cannot remember how this was done.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;[/quote]&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;Of course, changing port is your only option - either of the router or&amp;nbsp;of MercuryB.&amp;nbsp; You&#039;ll need two distinct ports; whichever you use for MercuryB would get forwarded to the server.&amp;nbsp; That port can be configured in the MercuryB dialog if I recall.&amp;nbsp; You&#039;ll then have to update your HTTP URLs to include :portnumber after the hostname (EG &lt;A href=&quot;http://mail.aps...:8080/blah&quot;&gt;http://mail.aps...:8080/blah&lt;/A&gt;).&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;Good luck!&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;Cheers,&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;Sabahattin&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;

Hi Sabahattin

Thanks again for a detailed reply. With regards to the send message feature, I have tried what you suggested but the core module displays an error:

postmaster@apsarchaeology.co.u - Notification discarded - potential loop.

The verification error was caused becaused the RDNS was not setup correctly. Although we had associated our mail.aps... domain name with our IP address, we then had to setup RDNS records associating the IP address with the domain name. Essentially, our Mercury server was announcing itself as apsarchaeology.co.uk and when the reverse check was made we received errors : 550-Verification failed for user@lincsheritage.org  which is the other domain we use for sending/receiving mail.

I'm presently working my way through rfc 2821(!) so will not get around to sorting out the port changing unless it becomes neccessary.

&lt;P&gt;Hi Sabahattin&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Thanks again for a detailed reply. With regards to the send message feature, I have tried what you suggested but the core module displays an error:&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;postmaster@apsarchaeology.co.u - Notification discarded - potential loop. &lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;The verification error&amp;nbsp;was caused becaused the RDNS was not setup correctly. Although we had&amp;nbsp;associated our mail.aps... domain name with our IP address, we then had to setup RDNS records associating the IP address with the domain name. Essentially, our Mercury server was announcing itself as apsarchaeology.co.uk and when the reverse check was made we received errors :&amp;nbsp;&lt;FONT size=2&gt;550-Verification failed for user@lincsheritage.org&amp;nbsp; which is the other domain we use for sending/receiving mail.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;I&#039;m presently working my way through rfc 2821(!) so will not get around to sorting out the port changing unless it becomes neccessary.&lt;/P&gt;

> OK, another question if I may.

>
> How can you populate membership of a mailing list without entering each member individually? We have several hundred addresses in a
> distribution list in Pegasus Mail that we would like to transfer to a mailing list. Is it possible to import addresses in bulk?

You need to use James Haley's utility BuildMLF to create this from a text file.

http://mysite.verizon.net/jameshaley/pmail/


 

&amp;gt; OK, another question if I may. &lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; How can you populate membership of a mailing list without entering each member individually? We have several hundred addresses in a &amp;gt; distribution list in Pegasus Mail that we would like to transfer to a mailing list. Is it possible to import addresses in bulk? You need to use James Haley&#039;s utility BuildMLF to create this from a text file. http://mysite.verizon.net/jameshaley/pmail/ &amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

[quote user="Greenman"]

With regards to the send message feature, I have tried what you suggested but the core module displays an error:

postmaster@apsarchaeology.co.u - Notification discarded - potential loop.

[/quote]

 

Hmm.  Insidious!  Just double check these:

* Postmaster (core module) is a username (no domain) that is valid here

* Local domains (core) includes your domain

* Postmaster's mailbox isn't autoforwarding

 

If that's all okay, and |it may well be, then I think you've probably found some sort of bug.  But I'm thinking the most obvious cause of an error like that is that you've somehow stuffed a domain name (the documentation, I rather suspect, is the blame here) into the Postmaster field.

 Cheers,

Sabahattin

 

[quote user=&quot;Greenman&quot;] &lt;P&gt;With regards to the send message feature, I have tried what you suggested but the core module displays an error:&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;postmaster@apsarchaeology.co.u - Notification discarded - potential loop. &lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;[/quote]&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Hmm.&amp;nbsp; Insidious!&amp;nbsp; Just double check these:&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;* Postmaster (core module) is a username (no domain) that is valid here&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;* Local domains (core) includes your domain&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;* Postmaster&#039;s mailbox isn&#039;t autoforwarding&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;If that&#039;s all okay, and |it may well be, then I think you&#039;ve probably found some sort of bug.&amp;nbsp; But I&#039;m thinking the most obvious cause of an error like that is that you&#039;ve somehow stuffed a domain name (the documentation, I rather suspect, is the blame here) into the Postmaster field.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;Cheers,&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Sabahattin&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;

Thanks again Sabahattin

I've checked the information as you suggested. The postmaster account is a username: admin without a domainname.co.uk The local domains are included in the list: apsarchaeology; apsarchaeology.co.uk; lincsheritage; lincsheriatge.org and there are no filters setup which forward mail from the admin (Postmaster) account.

With regard to documentation and how subscriptions are requested, it would IMO, be more friendly to replace [full name] with [your name]. When I first saw this I thought it was requesting the 'full name' of the list as opposed to assuming an 'alias' which may have been used in the <list-name>. I know that those who are used to this may think it's obvious, but newbies will struggle with this.

 

&lt;P&gt;Thanks again Sabahattin&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;I&#039;ve checked the information as you suggested. The postmaster account is a username: admin without a domainname.co.uk The local domains are included in the list: apsarchaeology; apsarchaeology.co.uk; lincsheritage; lincsheriatge.org and there are no filters setup which forward mail from the admin (Postmaster)&amp;nbsp;account.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;With regard to documentation and how subscriptions are requested, it would IMO, be more friendly to replace [full name] with [your name]. When I first saw this I thought it was requesting the &#039;full name&#039; of the list as opposed to assuming&amp;nbsp;an &#039;alias&#039; which may have been used in the &amp;lt;list-name&amp;gt;. I know that those who are used to this may think it&#039;s obvious, but newbies will struggle with this.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;

[quote user="Greenman"]

I've checked the information as you suggested. The postmaster account is a username: admin without a domainname.co.uk The local domains are included in the list: apsarchaeology; apsarchaeology.co.uk; lincsheritage; lincsheriatge.org and there are no filters setup which forward mail from the admin (Postmaster) account.

[/quote]

 

If you're not on Netware, there are the file-based forwarding lines which could deliver mail intended for postmaster.  Check in the c:\mercury\mail\admin directory for a file called forward.  If that exists, autoforwarding is on.  Read it to see where it's going.  You'd've created that file yourself, though, so you'd probably already know.  But at least make sure that the c:\mercury\mail\admin (or wherever it would be) directory exists and that, in your pmail.usr file in the c:\mercury\mail directory, there is a line for "admin".  Maybe when you set up Mercury you set the postmaster keyword but didn't create the mailbox somehow.  (If you have a local account yourself, might as well just make postmaster that local user and handle mail directly rather than retrieving it from a separate mailbox called admin; in that case, delete the admin mailbox and user using the user management dialog.)

 

Otherwise, I fancy I've run out of ideas and you've definitely found some sort of weird bug.  You'd want this working, though, so that you can get status messages both from outside and inside the mail system itself.

 

Cheers,

Sabahattin

 

[quote user=&quot;Greenman&quot;] &lt;P&gt;I&#039;ve checked the information as you suggested. The postmaster account is a username: admin without a domainname.co.uk The local domains are included in the list: apsarchaeology; apsarchaeology.co.uk; lincsheritage; lincsheriatge.org and there are no filters setup which forward mail from the admin (Postmaster)&amp;nbsp;account.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;[/quote]&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;If you&#039;re not on Netware, there are the file-based forwarding lines which could deliver mail intended for postmaster.&amp;nbsp; Check in the c:\mercury\mail\admin directory for a file called forward.&amp;nbsp; If that exists, autoforwarding is on.&amp;nbsp; Read it to see where it&#039;s going.&amp;nbsp; You&#039;d&#039;ve created that file yourself, though, so you&#039;d probably already know.&amp;nbsp; But at least make sure that the c:\mercury\mail\admin (or wherever it would be) directory exists and that, in your pmail.usr file in the c:\mercury\mail directory, there is a line for &quot;admin&quot;.&amp;nbsp; Maybe when you set up Mercury you set the postmaster keyword but didn&#039;t create the mailbox somehow.&amp;nbsp; (If you have a local account yourself, might as well just make postmaster that local user and handle mail directly rather than retrieving it from a separate mailbox called admin; in that case, delete the admin mailbox and user using the user management dialog.)&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;Otherwise, I fancy I&#039;ve run out of ideas and you&#039;ve definitely found some sort of weird bug.&amp;nbsp; You&#039;d want this working, though, so that you can get status messages both from outside and inside the mail system itself.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;Cheers,&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;Sabahattin&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;

I seem to recall having a similar problem in the past, and when I traced it back to the original error it was a delivery failure message being returned to an invalid from address.

This DSN message failed, and as per my setting, the sender (in this case postmaster@mydomain) was notified that delivery of the message had failed.

Core then spotted the message from postmaster to postmaster and killed it as a looping message.

This is just my recollection from quite a long time ago and may not be completely accurate [:)].

 

&lt;p&gt;I seem to recall having a similar problem in the past, and when I traced it back to the original error it was a delivery failure message being returned to an invalid from address.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This DSN message failed, and as per my setting, the sender (in this case postmaster@mydomain) was notified that delivery of the message had failed.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Core then spotted the message from postmaster to postmaster and killed it as a looping message.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This is just my recollection from quite a long time ago and may not be completely accurate [:)].&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

Thanks for both your posts.

The Postmaster account (Admin) is a real Pegasus Mail account. All mail delivery failure messages etc go to this account. I did not want these going to my own mailbox as I have enough mail as it is ;) It works fine and it keeps the mail administration separate and easier to manage.

I looked at the folder heirarchy, and ..\mail\admin does not exist - there is no 'mail' folder off Mercury. Presumably this is just a variation in the way our mail system is setup.

Pegasus and Mercury are installed as follows:

Pegasus Mail:
E:\DC\PMAIL\<User mailboxes> (including Admin)
E:\DC\PMAIL\<Pegasus application files>

Mercury:
E:\Mercury\...

The pmail.usr file located at E:\DC\PMAIL\ includes the line:

A;Admin;Mail Administrator

I tried to send another subscription request from within Mercury. This is what mercury.log shows:

E 20080501 0913 [Unknown] postmaster@apsarchaeology.co.u Notification discarded - potential loop.
I 20080501 0913 MG000002 postmaster@apsarchaeology.co.u Maiser                         270

Does the [Unknown] part correlate with what Dilberts LN describes above? I am not sure how this can be traced as the only log of the transaction appears to be in the mercury.log file only.

Any further suggestions are very welcome.

Thanks for the continued interest and help.

Cheers!

 

Edit:

Also, there is no forward file in the Admin folder.

&lt;P&gt;Thanks for both your posts.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;The Postmaster account (Admin) is a real Pegasus Mail account. All mail delivery failure messages etc go to this account. I did not want these going to my own mailbox as I have enough mail as it is ;) It works fine and it keeps the mail administration separate and easier to manage.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;I looked at the folder heirarchy, and ..\mail\admin does not exist - there is no &#039;mail&#039; folder off Mercury. Presumably this is just a variation in the way our mail system is setup.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Pegasus and Mercury are installed as follows:&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Pegasus Mail: E:\DC\PMAIL\&amp;lt;User mailboxes&amp;gt; (including Admin) E:\DC\PMAIL\&amp;lt;Pegasus application files&amp;gt;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Mercury: E:\Mercury\...&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;The pmail.usr file located at E:\DC\PMAIL\&amp;nbsp;includes the line:&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;A;Admin;Mail Administrator&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;I tried to send another subscription request from within Mercury. This is what mercury.log shows:&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;E 20080501 0913 [Unknown] postmaster@apsarchaeology.co.u Notification discarded - potential loop. I 20080501 0913 MG000002 postmaster@apsarchaeology.co.u Maiser&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 270&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Does&amp;nbsp;the [Unknown] part correlate with what Dilberts LN describes above? I am not sure how this can be traced as the only log of the transaction appears to be in the mercury.log file only.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Any further suggestions are very welcome.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Thanks for the continued interest and help.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Cheers!&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Edit:&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Also, there is no forward file in the Admin folder.&lt;/P&gt;

Yes:

I 20080501 1152 MG0012CB admin@apsarchaeology.co.uk     Maiser                         265
I 20080501 1153 MG0012CC Maiser@apsarchaeology.co.uk    admin                          1366

If I send a subscription request from the admin account itself:

I 20080501 1155 MG0012CD admin@apsarchaeology.co.uk     Maiser                         433
I 20080501 1155 MG0012CE Maiser@apsarchaeology.co.uk    admin                          1366

It all works fine. 

However, when I sent the same request from my account:

E 20080501 1157 MG0012D0 Maiser                         Maiser: No command text section in message.

Ha!

I've realised what was causing the problem, prepare to groan....

I have Pegasus Mail setup to send formatted mail

When I checked the failure reply from maiser this was in the raw view:

From: "Greenman" <greenman@apsarchaeology.co.uk>
To: maiser@apsarchaeology.co.uk
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 11:57:40 +0100
MIME-Version: 1.0
Subject:
Message-ID: <4819B034.23568.58B50F8@greenman.apsarchaeology.co.uk>
Priority: normal
X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41)
Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Content-description: Mail message body

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
          "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html  xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en"><head>
<title></title>
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;charset=utf-8"/>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Style-Type" content="text/css"/>
</head>
<body>
<div align="left">
<font face="Arial" size="2">
<span style=" font-size:10pt">
subscribe external Green Man</span></font>
</div>
</body>
</html>
</html>

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When I checked the option to 'Disable all text styling options (never send styled mail)' the command was recognised by maiser and it went through fine. So, maiser was reading the HTML formatting commands and because it could not recognise a valid mailing list command it was rejecting the message. What a bummer! Of course, when composing the mail, none of the HTML formatting is visible.

The fault was mine (again!). I had not checked the box beside 'Generate multipart/alternative versions of richtext messages' After placing a checkmark in this box, and unchecking the option to 'Disable all text styling options (never send styled mail)' everything works as it should.

Man! However, I have learnt a lot more about Mercury due to everyone's help, so I extend a big Thanks! to you all.

Cheers!

&lt;P&gt;Yes:&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;I 20080501 1152 MG0012CB admin@apsarchaeology.co.uk&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Maiser&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 265 I 20080501 1153 MG0012CC Maiser@apsarchaeology.co.uk&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; admin&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 1366&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;If I send a subscription request from the admin account itself:&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;I 20080501 1155 MG0012CD admin@apsarchaeology.co.uk&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Maiser&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 433 I 20080501 1155 MG0012CE Maiser@apsarchaeology.co.uk&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; admin&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 1366&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;It all works fine.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;However, when I sent the same request from my account:&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;E 20080501 1157 MG0012D0 Maiser&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Maiser: No command text section in message.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Ha!&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;I&#039;ve realised what was causing the problem, prepare to &lt;EM&gt;groan&lt;/EM&gt;....&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;I have Pegasus Mail setup to send formatted mail&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;When I checked the failure reply from maiser this was in the raw view:&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;From: &quot;Greenman&quot; &amp;lt;&lt;A href=&quot;mailto:greenman@apsarchaeology.co.uk&quot;&gt;greenman@apsarchaeology.co.uk&lt;/A&gt;&amp;gt; To: &lt;A href=&quot;mailto:maiser@apsarchaeology.co.uk&quot;&gt;maiser@apsarchaeology.co.uk&lt;/A&gt; Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 11:57:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Message-ID: &amp;lt;&lt;A href=&quot;mailto:4819B034.23568.58B50F8@greenman.apsarchaeology.co.uk&quot;&gt;4819B034.23568.58B50F8@greenman.apsarchaeology.co.uk&lt;/A&gt;&amp;gt; Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;lt;!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC &quot;-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN&quot; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &quot;&lt;A href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd&quot;&gt;http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd&lt;/A&gt;&quot;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;html&amp;nbsp; xmlns=&quot;&lt;A href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&lt;/A&gt;&quot; xml:lang=&quot;en&quot; lang=&quot;en&quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;head&amp;gt; &amp;lt;title&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/title&amp;gt; &amp;lt;meta http-equiv=&quot;content-type&quot; content=&quot;text/html;charset=utf-8&quot;/&amp;gt; &amp;lt;meta http-equiv=&quot;Content-Style-Type&quot; content=&quot;text/css&quot;/&amp;gt; &amp;lt;/head&amp;gt; &amp;lt;body&amp;gt; &amp;lt;div align=&quot;left&quot;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;font face=&quot;Arial&quot; size=&quot;2&quot;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;span style=&quot; font-size:10pt&quot;&amp;gt; subscribe external Green Man&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; &amp;lt;/div&amp;gt; &amp;lt;/body&amp;gt; &amp;lt;/html&amp;gt; &amp;lt;/html&amp;gt;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;--Part_Boundary-6F80D2DA-- &lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;When I checked the option to &#039;Disable all text styling options&amp;nbsp;(never send styled mail)&#039; the command was recognised by maiser and&amp;nbsp;it went through fine. So, maiser was reading the HTML formatting commands&amp;nbsp;and because it could not recognise&amp;nbsp;a valid mailing list command&amp;nbsp;it was rejecting the message. What a bummer! Of course, when composing the mail, none of the HTML formatting is visible.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;The fault was mine (again!). I had not checked the box beside &#039;Generate multipart/alternative versions of richtext messages&#039; After placing a checkmark in&amp;nbsp;this box, and unchecking the option to &#039;Disable all text styling options&amp;nbsp;(never send styled mail)&#039; everything works as it should.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;Man! However, I have learnt a lot more about Mercury&amp;nbsp;due to everyone&#039;s help, so I extend a big Thanks! to you all.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;Cheers!&lt;/P&gt;

I'm certainly pleased to here that you're now generating proper mail including text/plain portions - this is why, among other things, you actually want to do this (but can I tempt you to stop sending HTML altogether?) - but I'm not altogether sure how/if this solves your postmaster resolution problem.  You've now removed the reason for the problem, but does postmaster@your.domain still actually get to your admin account?  I have sent you a test message.  Just make sure you receive it without any other explicit references to postmaster set up in your alias table.  You only need the setting from Core Module.

 

Cheers,

Sabahattin

 

&lt;P&gt;I&#039;m certainly pleased to here that you&#039;re now generating proper mail including text/plain portions - this is why, among other things, you actually want to do this (but can I tempt you to stop sending HTML altogether?) - but I&#039;m not altogether sure how/if this solves your postmaster resolution problem.&amp;nbsp; You&#039;ve now removed the reason for the problem, but does &lt;A href=&quot;mailto:postmaster@your.domain&quot;&gt;postmaster@your.domain&lt;/A&gt; still actually get to your admin account?&amp;nbsp; I have sent you a test message.&amp;nbsp; Just make sure you receive it without any other explicit references to postmaster set up in your alias table.&amp;nbsp; You only need the setting from Core Module.&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Cheers,&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P&gt;Sabahattin&lt;/P&gt; &lt;P mce_keep=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
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