Geo, thanks for taking over there. For a few days I was only able to access the net via my phone and I was never going to type in all that needed to be explained in long form. You did a better job than I would anyway. Cheers.

I don't want to appear petulant or impatient but I posted this, I'm sure, fairly simple query about a month ago and have yet to get even one reply. Maybe it's just an oversight because I think this is a fairly easy one:

I'm sure this is a simple fix, but I am unable to make my "start a new mail message" window remain maximized. Using Pegasus v 4.51.

Every

time I click the icon to start a new message, the window comes up  with

a scroll-bar covering the far right edge of the window. I just run it up to

the top and the 3 boxes at the top right-hand corner are mostly revealed. I

can maximize the window but it just seems that I should be able to make

it start maximized without anything further.

I also remember some

time back a similar question ended with some suggestions to effect all

changes with the window NOT in the maximized state before exiting. 

Upon restart, the window(s) should retain the change. I've tried

opening and closing all windows in different variations of the

non-maximized size but nothing seems to fix this problem with the write

new mail window ... only.

Granted, this is not a big deal

but it's the principle! ;-)  All other windows open maximized (if set

this way before exiting Pmail) and the new mail window is the only one

that won't stay when I restart.

I searched for previous inquiries

on this subject and found something where Thomas Stephenson had

suggested renaming the "STATE.pmj"  file in the HOME directory, which I

did to no avail. (I'm guessing from the post's title that window sizing

was the question.)

Any other ideas? I appreciate any and all tips to fix this nuisance.

Thanks,

I'm sure your original post just slipped through the net, unfortunately. Hopefully this reply will guarantee you some more comments.

Anyway, I can't reproduce your issue, nor have I seen it before. What I do see is that if I've been using maximised mode then change to 'unmaximised' mode, the New Message window will open using the same dimensions as it did in maximised mode, therefore extending off the screen and causing the scrollbars to appear.

When I'm not in maximised mode, all my window dimensions are dragged to the maximum visible size within the Pegasus window, so this is not technically maximised but can appear so. Are you absolutely certain that you're not working like that? If you are, you'll see a (probably blue) window title bar between the main toolbar and the folder/message toolbar (i.e. Open, Reply, Forward, etc.).

If there's nothing between those two toolbars then you are in genuine maximised mode and I cannot, as stated above, replicate your issue. It would seem likely though, that any such issue would be related to the state.pmj file.

Are you running a clean install of Pegasus or an upgraded older version?

[quote user="Sharkfin"]

If there's nothing between those two toolbars then you are in genuine maximised mode and I cannot, as stated above, replicate your issue. It would seem likely though, that any such issue would be related to the state.pmj file.

Are you running a clean install of Pegasus or an upgraded older version?

[/quote]

 As far as I can tell, I am in "true" maximized mode (I think that's how I understood your reply). And I deleted my previous version of Pmail and installed the new v 4.51.

I am attaching a screen shot of what I see after I run the scrollbar (that obscures the upper right corner) up to reveal the 3 boxes.

[quote user="Sharkfin"]

If there's nothing between those two toolbars then you are in genuine maximised mode and I cannot, as stated above, replicate your issue. It would seem likely though, that any such issue would be related to the state.pmj file.

Are you running a clean install of Pegasus or an upgraded older version?

[/quote]

As far as I can tell, I am in a "true" maximized state. And I uninstalled the previous PMail and installed v 4.51.

I have 2 jpg images of what my screen looks like when I first click the "write new mail icon" and how it looks when I run the scroll bar that obscures the upper right corner boxes up to uncover them. But I don't know how to add attachments to my post!

Thanks for your time and info. Hopefully I can figure how to attach the two small JPEGS and this may make more sense.

Thanks again.

I found the following line in my state.pmj that appears to relate to the size of the new message window (at least, the numbers changed when I resized the window):

EDMAIL_M=29,103,707,554

REMEMBER: you should never open or edit such files while Pegasus is running.

I can confirm that when you view the new mail window in maximised mode, these values are altered upwards. They are not reset to their "smaller" values when you 'unmaximise'. Your screenshots look just like what I get. However, once you drag it back to a sensible size, the new value should be saved. It does for me.

[quote user="Sharkfin"]

I found the following line in my state.pmj that appears to relate to the size of the new message window (at least, the numbers changed when I resized the window):

EDMAIL_M=29,103,707,554

REMEMBER: you should never open or edit such files while Pegasus is running.

I can confirm that when you view the new mail window in maximised mode, these values are altered upwards. They are not reset to their "smaller" values when you 'unmaximise'. Your screenshots look just like what I get. However, once you drag it back to a sensible size, the new value should be saved. It does for me.

[/quote]

I am not confident enough to play with PMJ or other Pegasus-specific files. I don't even know how to open them! The screenshot shows how I can maximize the window (as you state) but after a re-start, it goes back to the original with the scrollbar covering the entire right side of the window.

That is the problem. Nothing seems to work making the fully maximized window remain.

Again, thanks for your time trying to help!

Perhaps your settings came from a larger screen resolution. Did you change it at some point?

Anyway, first make sure you are in UNmaximised mode. When you see the overly large new message window, try to resize it to be only about a third of the screen. Then close it and start another new message. Hopefully this new window will appear at the new smaller size.

Now close it and then close Pegasus. Re-start Pegasus and see if the new message window remains small. If so, maximising should work fine now.

Let us know how that goes.

[quote user="Sharkfin"]Perhaps your settings came from a larger screen resolution. Did you change it at some point?[/quote]

No, I haven't changed that for any reason in years.

[quote user="Sharkfin"]Anyway, first make sure you are in UNmaximised mode. When you see the overly large new message window, try to resize it to be only about a third of the screen. Then close it and start another new message. Hopefully this new window will appear at the new smaller size.

Now close it and then close Pegasus. Re-start Pegasus and see if the new message window remains small. If so, maximising should work fine now.

Let us know how that goes.[/quote]

I have tried what you recommend. Doesn't work. I tried opening and closing the "write new mail", Pegasus itself and a few other combinations. No luck. I am using 'exit' to close the program, too, instead of just clicking the 'X' at the top right to see if that makes a difference. Nope.

It seems that no matter how or in what combination I close down the windows, upon restart and clicking the "write new mail" icon, the window opens with the scroll bar overlaid on the right side and partially covering the 3 boxes top right until I drag the scroll bar up to reveal them (as shown in the attachment a few messages above).

This just isn't working and I think a more extensive "fix" is going to be required  than opening and closing windows in different sizes.

But thanks again for all your help and time!

[quote user="robhic"]As far as I can tell, I am in "true" maximized mode (I think that's how I understood your reply). And I deleted my previous version of Pmail and installed the new v 4.51.

I am attaching a screen shot of what I see after I run the scrollbar (that obscures the upper right corner) up to reveal the 3 boxes.[/quote]

Well, your attached image clearly shows your message window *not* being maximized! See the "maximize" icon there?

 Anyway, last time I saw this problem it was caused by the *folder* window being a bit too high/wide.

I suggest you do the following:

1, make sure non of the *files* in your Pegasus mail folder have the "read-only" file attribute set. (Windows Explorer does not show file attributes by default, if you do not know how to make it display attributes, you can select all files, right-click, click Properties and look at the "Read only" attribute check-box. If it is checked black, then all, if grey, then some files are read only. You will have to find those one-by-one.)

2, close the message window, open your mail folders window. Observe your Pegasus workspace, there should be no scrollbars at either of the 4 sides. If you see a scrollbar, resize your folders window just enough for the scrollbars to disappear.

3, Open your message  window, resize/move it so that the scrollbars disappear. You may *also* have to resize/move the folders window as well, because the oversized message window makes Pegasus nudge everything around within the workspace to try to fit it.

4, Once you have both the folders, and the message window open, without scrollbars, make Pegasus save the message window position, then repeat the step 2-4 with the message writing window as well, the two being separate. 

I hope this helps,
 Geo

[quote user="Geo"]1, make sure non of the *files* in your Pegasus mail folder have the "read-only" file attribute set. (Windows Explorer does not show file attributes by default, if you do not know how to make it display attributes, you can select all files, right-click, click Properties and look at the "Read only" attribute check-box. If it is checked black, then all, if grey, then some files are read only. You will have to find those one-by-one.)[/quote]

No problems here.

 [quote user="Geo"]2, close the message window, open your mail folders window. Observe your Pegasus workspace, there should be no scrollbars at either of the 4 sides. If you see a scrollbar, resize your folders window just enough for the scrollbars to disappear.[/quote]

No scrollbars but after re-sizing, the maximized window doesn't stay and the 3 upper right boxes are again covered.

[quote user="Geo"]3, Open your message  window, resize/move it so that the scrollbars disappear. You may *also* have to resize/move the folders window as well, because the oversized message window makes Pegasus nudge everything around within the workspace to try to fit it.[/quote]

Re-sizing isn't a problem. I re-size any or all windows but the only one that doesn't retain its new, maximized size is the "write new message" window.

[quote user="Geo"]4, Once you have both the folders, and the message window open, without scrollbars, make Pegasus save the message window position, then repeat the step 2-4 with the message writing window as well, the two being separate.[/quote]

OK, windows all open without scrollbars but how to make Pegasus save the window positions? I think that is a new one I haven't tried. (as far as I am aware.)

Thanks for the help. Maybe we're getting somewhere.

[quote user="robhic"]Re-sizing isn't a problem. I re-size any or all windows but the only one that doesn't retain its new, maximized size is the "write new message" window.

[quote user="Geo"]4, Once you have both the folders, and the message window open, without scrollbars, make Pegasus save the message window position, then repeat the step 2-4 with the message writing window as well, the two being separate.[/quote]

OK, windows all open without scrollbars but how to make Pegasus save the window positions? I think that is a new one I haven't tried. (as far as I am aware.)[/quote]

 

I am sensing some confusion here regarding "maximized" windows.

Pegasus has a so called multiple document interface (MDI), i.e. you can have several windows open *within* the Pegasus program window, i.e. MDI area. Windows within the MDI can either *all* be maximized, or none. "Maximized" is a property of the whole MDI area, not any individual window within it. In other words, maximizing any one of the open windows will cause all other open windows become maximized as well.

The image you attached shows a window title bar with the 3 system icons at right, which is *not* a maximized window. Click on the "maximize" icon in the middle, and the MDI will switch into maximized mode: the frontmost window will cover the whole MDI area, its title bar will disappear, its 3 system icons will appear up on the menu bar of Pegasus. Try it, to see what maximized really means here: all your open/new windows will be maximized, and switching between them can only be done via the "Window" menu.

Using Pegasus MDI in maximized mode is not a good idea. It is much better to resize *non-maximized* windows to best use the available MDI area. Which is what I think you are trying to achieve here.

What you need to understand is that Pegasus will not save window position/size when in maximized mode, since any window you open will just cover up the whole program window, whatever its current size. Switch into non-maximized state, and then it will read/save window position/size info from /to the file "state.pmj".

There is a separate menu command to save the size of the message reading window: "Reader" menu / "Save window size". Of course, you need to be reading a message, as the Pegasus menu commands change based on what kind of window has the focus.

All other window positions are just saved when you close that window or exit the program. Thus, if you are bugged by your new message writing window, just resize/move, then close it, and the new size/position will be saved into "state.pmj".

Now, state.pmj is a simple text file, editing it is less demanding then writing an email, but this is not like playing with a nuclear reactor anyway, is it? [;)]  So please, do all of us a favour, fire up Notepad and look into the file so that you yourself understand what is going on. (Close Pegasus and make a copy of state.pmj before.)

File strucure is very simple, settings are grouped under section headers within "[...]". Your writing window size is in the section "[General]",  the line starting with "EDMAIL_M=". The 4 numbers respectively: horizontal pos., vertical pos., width, height. All in pixels. The position is that of the top left corner of your writing window with respect to the top left corner of the MDI area, the grey area you see when no window is open within Pegasus.

Why I wrote all of this: I suspect you have a negative value for the vertical position, caused by your scrolling up, etc. If so, just go ahead, and change any offending value to one that makes sense. Fire up Pegasus, and enjoy!

One other note. there is an "Enlarge window" command in the "window" menu, which makes your current window fill up the whole MDI area *without* switching the program to maximized state. We could call it "full size", lol. You will want to use this for your message writing window, once you have dealt with the initial problem.

Go ahead, check the settings actually saved by the program, and correct them if needed. You should be able to solve any problems based on all that I wrote here. If you get stuck, there is no way for anybody to understand what exactly is wrong without you quoting the actual window size setting line from your state.pmj.

Good luck,
Geo

[quote user="Geo"]I am sensing some confusion here regarding "maximized" windows.[/quote]

You would be sensing correctly!  [;)]

[quote user="Geo"]All other window positions are just saved when you close that window or exit the program. Thus, if you are bugged by your new message writing window, just resize/move, then close it, and the new size/position will be saved into "state.pmj".[/quote]

OK, what I did was read over all of the replies I received (and they were legion!) and started over from the beginning. I manually re-sized the windows in the non-maximized state to fill the window(s). None of the windows (Write New Message included) is in the maximized state using the box in upper right corner. So far so good.

When I now click the "Write New Message" icon, the window fills the area and the maximized box top right is shown. So far so good.

I closed and re-opened and re-sized and closed and on and on. It seems to be working like I wanted. I do believe the confusion was of my own making...

[quote user="Geo"]Why I wrote all of this: I suspect you have a negative value for the vertical position, caused by your scrolling up, etc. If so, just go ahead, and change any offending value to one that makes sense. Fire up Pegasus, and enjoy![/quote]

I still hesitate to mess with the values in the "state.pmj" file but they look to be all right (by my limited reckoning...). I include them here for you to see if all looks OK to you because it is like reading Greek to me! [:|]

[Mailbox_IDs]
DEFAULT=0,0,0,0,"465A1669:My mailbox"
[General]
EDMAIL_M=0,0,1280,672

So it looks like this simple problem that expanded exponentially (probably due to my confusion) is fixed!

I sincerely appreciate all of the time and effort put into this by all who tried to pull me, kicking and screaming, to the conclusion. I believe it worked! Thanks.

[quote user="robhic"]I still hesitate to mess with the values in the "state.pmj" file but they look to be all right (by my limited reckoning...). I include them here for you to see if all looks OK to you because it is like reading Greek to me! [:|]

[Mailbox_IDs]
DEFAULT=0,0,0,0,"465A1669:My mailbox"
[General]
EDMAIL_M=0,0,1280,672

So it looks like this simple problem that expanded exponentially (probably due to my confusion) is fixed!

I sincerely appreciate all of the time and effort put into this by all who tried to pull me, kicking and screaming, to the conclusion. I believe it worked! Thanks.[/quote]

LOL, good to know it worked, thanks.

On another note, I seriously doubt you would need anybody else to know that those values are just perfect for you now.[;)]