after many AND many proofs wich they do no result, NOW all work fine (message to not existant address was successfully sent but after a low seconds i receive a failure report by mta!

mahh! i don't understand!

 I think in effect there are 2 problems:

1) many isp disable non-delivery reports for spam problems.

2) this service is not very reliable

However many thank all people

Delivery notification, i don't know why, not work with all server.

Anyone know why?

In outlook if i send a mail to a wrong mail address the mail remain in "outgoing mail" and only when is sended it go in folder "mail sended".

But in pegasus if i send a mail to a a wrong address it goes always in "to self" and i don't know if it is sended or not,

How can i know it?

No news is good news.  But if you sent it to another valid email address by mistake, then oh Dear :-((

> But in pegasus if i send a mail to a a wrong address it goes always in "to self" and i don't know if it is sended or not,
> How can i know it?

Try using other means to get a delivery notification.  When in the editor hit the Special tab and then go to the Custom header line and add

Disposition-Notification-To: your@email.address

as a custom header.  Many mail systems will honor this one and let you know when it is delivered and (sometimes) read.

> No news is good news.  But if you sent it to another valid email address by mistake, then oh Dear :-((

It will there is no prob if the receiver is a gentleman like Thomas R. Stephenson because, in this case, he advertise me.

Many thanks Thomas. Today i'll try to do what you tell me (special tab, custom header, etc.)

I have found that delivery confirmation and read confirmation isn't reliable. That is, different servers treat them differently. I'm not talking about that users can refuse them, or the Sys admin.

Once in a test, between different addresses and systems, I got what looked like "ask for read confirmation", when in fact I had used the delivery notification setting in Pegasus.

I know that for "Confirmation of reading", the help file says:
[quote]Note: the recipient must be using a version of Pegasus Mail for receipt confirmation to work.[/quote]

And if that is true, it does limit that setting.

As for "Confirmation of Delivery" I notice that the help file says, among other:
[quote]With Internet mail, you may or may not receive confirmation of delivery, because there are no guaranteed ways of asking for it.[/quote]

So, if we exclude the part that the recipient, or his Sys admin, has the setting set "to refuse"; there still seem to be some problems; as my experience in the test, mentioned above.

And there is quite a difference, in my mind, between asking for delivery confirmation and read confirmation, so I don't use them at all anymore.

But I don't understand what you mean with:

[quote user="vgobbi"]

In outlook if i send a mail to a wrong

mail address the mail remain in "outgoing mail" and only when is sended

it go in folder "mail sended".

That must be something else. Ah, yes, I do get Mail Delivery reports if something goes wrong (they have their own little folder, those reports[:)]), but I don't have to use the "Confirmation of Delivery" setting to get those. And yes, as soon as I've sent it, I have a copy in the "Copy" folder or "to self" etc. Only have to watch for a “Mail Delivery Failure” or similar; or not, then no news is good news.

have you a mail server wich you can access by webmail and by pegasus mail?

Try to go to your mail address by webmail and try to send a mail to errror@yourdomain.com. It surely don't exist so you receive a failure report.

Now try to do the same steps with pegasus. does you receive any report or mail for announce you your mistake?

In my case the reponse is no. nothing news but the problem remain and any mail goes anywhere (but pegasus don't tell you nothing and

tell you "mail sent succesfully" and a copy of this mail goes to "to self" folder.

In outlook there are 2 folders: "outgoing mail" and "sent mail". When there is a problem, for exemple an error in mail address, i think (if i don't have wrong remember), when i click in SEND the mail goes and remain in "outgoing mail" (in italian "posta in uscita") but don't goes in "sent mail". I repeat: i think (i don't like outlook)

Is it true?

[quote user="vgobbi"]

have you a mail server wich you can access by webmail and by pegasus mail?

Try to go to your mail address by webmail and try to send a mail to errror@yourdomain.com. It surely don't exist so you receive a failure report.

Now try to do the same steps with pegasus. does you receive any report or mail for announce you your mistake?

In my case the reponse is no. nothing news but the problem remain and any mail goes anywhere (but pegasus don't tell you nothing and

tell you "mail sent succesfully" and a copy of this mail goes to "to self" folder.

[snip]

[/quote]

If you do not get a return email from your ISP's mail server when you send an email to a non-existant address, then you need to take up this issue with your ISP.  It is not a Pegasus problem. Pegasus WILL give you an error response if it detects a syntax error in one of your To/Cc/Bcc addresses. That's all you can expect from Pegasus, or any other email client.

[quote user="vgobbi"]

have you a mail server wich you can access by webmail and by pegasus mail?

[...]

In outlook there are 2 folders: "outgoing mail" and "sent mail". When there is a problem, for exemple an error in mail address, i think (if i don't have wrong remember), when i click in SEND the mail goes and remain in "outgoing mail" (in italian "posta in uscita") but don't goes in "sent mail". I repeat: i think (i don't like outlook) [/quote]

 I can't test that, sorry.

Just some comments and thoughts here; perhaps the gurus in the forum can add their comments on the matter, and correct me if I'm wrong.

Not all mail clients works the same when it comes to folders. Pegasus has been around since the dawn, almost. As soon as you click send it usually places a copy in the copy (to self etc.) folder (of course depending on your settings, but let's keep it simple). What happens next depends on some different things.

It could be sent immediately or placed in the queue, depending on the settings for Sending (SMTP). But that's not interesting, it's what happens after it's been sent that we are discussing. If the message is accepted by the e-mail service provider, often the ISP, there is nothing Pegasus can do.

It's up to the MTAs; if they bounce or reject an e-mail one of them has to send some sort of non-delivery report (NDR) back to you or another MTA that sends it back to you. This should be the default, and it's not depending on whether the sender has used the setting "confirm delivery", or not. It could be because there is no such recipient (wrong address) or server error etc. So that one knows that it wasn't delivered. Since we now have this mess with spam mails, I understand that some ISPs have disabled non-delivery reports. All this is happening outside the mail clients Pegasus, Outlook etc.

I think the "Outbox" and "Sent Itemsl"-folders issue you see in Outlook is related to something else. There have been some cases reported with mails sending all OK, but some of them still not moving from Outbox to Sent Items; so that seems to be a problem with Outlook under certain circumstances. Try a search at MSFT or in, for example, Google like this:

http://www.google.co.uk/#sclient=psy&hl=sv&site=&source=hp&q=Outlook+%22outbox%22++move+%22sent+items%22+-express+site%3Amicrosoft.com&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=62babc061e95881a

i will try with two or three different ISPs.

A few hours ago I posted what is shown below, but I got a message that said: Post Pending Moderation, You have posted to a forum that requires a moderator to approve posts before they are publicly available. Etc. I don't know why; perhaps it was because I included a link to a Google search result, giving some help to the OPs question about Outlook. Not much to do since there aren't many moderators or administrators around all the time, it seems. I can't even find a list of the moderators. No problem, everyone can't be around all the time. But if using such moderation rules, perhaps there should be.

--- Posted 2011-02-04 05:19 GMT/UTC sans link to Google ---

 [quote user="vgobbi"]

have you a mail server wich you can access by webmail and by pegasus mail?

[...]

In outlook there are 2 folders: "outgoing mail" and "sent mail". When there is a problem, for exemple an error in mail address, i think (if i don't have wrong remember), when i click in SEND the mail goes and remain in "outgoing mail" (in italian "posta in uscita") but don't goes in "sent mail". I repeat: i think (i don't like outlook) [/quote]
 I can't test that, sorry.

Just some comments and thoughts here; perhaps the gurus in the forum can add their comments on the matter, and correct me if I'm wrong.

Not all mail clients works the same when it comes to folders. Pegasus has been around since the dawn, almost. As soon as you click send it usually places a copy in the copy (to self etc.) folder (of course depending on your settings, but let's keep it simple). What happens next depends on some different things.

It could be sent immediately or placed in the queue, depending on the settings for Sending (SMTP). But that's not interesting, it's what happens after it's been sent that we are discussing. If the message is accepted by the e-mail service provider, often the ISP, there is nothing Pegasus can do.

It's up to the MTAs; if they bounce or reject an e-mail one of them has to send some sort of non-delivery report (NDR) back to you or another MTA that sends it back to you. This should be the default, and it's not depending on whether the sender has used the setting "confirm delivery", or not. It could be because there is no such recipient (wrong address) or server error etc. So that one knows that it wasn't delivered. Since we now have this mess with spam mails, I understand that some ISPs have disabled non-delivery reports. All this is happening outside the mail clients Pegasus, Outlook etc.

I think the "Outbox" and "Sent Itemsl"-folders issue you see in Outlook is related to something else. There have been some cases reported with mails sending all OK, but some of them still not moving from Outbox to Sent Items; so that seems to be a problem with Outlook under certain circumstances. Try a search at MSFT or in, for example, Google like this: