[quote user="Thomas R. Stephenson"]> A

questionable standard, IMO, reminds me of the hungry mathematician

being left alone with a can of food and no tools in prison: "I define

this can to be open" ...

Not hardly, this was not defined in a vacuum.  Since this is the basic e-mail standard and has been like this forever, approved by everyone, I'm not all that sure I would question the standard. [...]

That said, many mailers leave out this field expecting it to be added by the SMTP host.  Most MSA do add this Date: header if missing, the latest Mercury does this.[/quote]

Well, it's just my opinion, and your latter note about SMTP hosts clearly indicates that it's circumvented anyway, so this standard appears to be worth exactly ... nothing ... ?

1. Not sure what they are called, but the columns above the messages......"From"  "Subject"  "Date/Time"  "Size"......

Can other columns be added?  Like "To"  "Recipient" , etc.....

Also, I don't care for the "Size" column. Can any of those be deleted?

2. When I send a message, it does not show that it has been "sent".  The "Copies to self"  just says "To" abcd123@isp .com, etc.

Thanks. I'm slowly getting there.

1. No. On both counts.

2. If everything is working as it should the existence of a "copy to self" is an indication (when enabled) that the message has been sent.

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James Quigley

[quote user="Papa"]

2. When I send a message, it does not show that it has been "sent".  The "Copies to self"  just says "To" abcd123@isp .com, etc.

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It does, in the bottom left-hand corner.

Cheers!

I think we are talking about the absence of "Outbox" and/or "Sent" folders that exist in other programs.

Could be wrong.

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James Quigley

[quote user="caisson"]2. If everything is working as it should the existence of a "copy to self" is an indication (when enabled) that the message has been sent.[/quote]

Not quite: If queuing is enabled the message is actually only queued (in the "outbox"), and delivery date and time may significantly differ from what the "sent" date says ...

[quote user="idw"]

No quite: If queuing is enabled the message is actually only queued (in the "outbox"), and delivery date and time may significantly differ from what the "sent" date says ...

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Again - different context.

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James Quigley

Thanks to all of you, It's becoming clearer a little bit at a time.  I'm actually enjoying learning PM!  Sorry if I ask too many questions.  All this is new to me.  Coming from Thunderbird is quite a change of scenery for me....

[quote user="caisson"]Again - different context.[/quote]

Why again and why different? Don't we talk about "outbox" and "sent" folder differences according to your assumption? And aren't Copies to self created on queuing and not on delivery (since sending is ambiguous here) depending on the respective option setting? Oh, and yes, Steffan was pointing to Pegasus Mail's status bar, that's really different ...

[quote user="caisson"]

I think we are talking about the absence of "Outbox" and/or "Sent" folders that exist in other programs.

Could be wrong.

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James Quigley

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Ah, I see. Isn't copies to self the equivalent of those folders? I've renamed mine 'Out', and the Main folder 'In' :-).

[quote user="Papa"]Thanks to all of you, It's becoming clearer a little bit at a time.  I'm actually enjoying learning PM!  Sorry if I ask too many questions.  All this is new to me.  Coming from Thunderbird is quite a change of scenery for me....
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Ask as may questions as you like, it isn't a problem.

Good to hear that you are enjoying the experience.

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James Quigley

[quote user="Steffan"]

Ah, I see. Isn't copies to self the equivalent of those folders? I've renamed mine 'Out', and the Main folder 'In' :-).

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Precisely. Many new users expect to see "Outbox" and "Sent" folders and don't realize that "Copy to self" is more than just a copy, but replicates those functions. Terminology I guess.

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James Quigley 

Thanks, guys, for clearing that up.

OK. Another question. How do I change the background color of the main screen (the one that shows the folders on the left (actually the folder side and the "From" "Subject", etc. side.

I would prefer a black background with white font.  I looked for that also in the the manual, but it wasn't specific on that point.

Another thing:

I notice when PM does a mail check with the POP server that it will flash "connecting to pop.isp.net" (in the left bottom corner) about 30 times when I am currently using only 4 of my 8 identities. Maybe I've configured something wrong somewhere.

What a great forum to learn from!

[quote user="caisson"]

[quote user="Steffan"]

Ah, I see. Isn't copies to self the equivalent of those folders? I've renamed mine 'Out', and the Main folder 'In' :-).

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Precisely. Many new users expect to see "Outbox" and "Sent" folders and don't realize that "Copy to self" is more than just a copy, but replicates those functions. Terminology I guess.[/quote]

Sorry to jump in here again, but it's not the equivalent of either of these (at least as far as I can tell from Opera's mail client): The equivalent of the "outbox" is the queue, and once the message is actually delivered a copy is moved to the "sent" folder. "Copies to self" stores either copy of the queued message (if queuing is enabled) or a copy of the sent message (if queuing is disabled). IOW: Opera's sent folder will always contain the final version while "Copies to self" does not if queuing is enabled. This can make a remarkable difference!

> Not quite: If queuing is enabled the message is actually only queued (in

the "outbox"), and delivery date
> and time may significantly differ from

what the "sent" date says ..

I read the sent data a little differently that you do, my sent data is the date I commit the to the queue when sending the mail.  I do not particularly care one way or the other how long it takes for the queue to be processed.  ;-)

[quote user="Thomas R. Stephenson"]I read the sent data a little differently that you do, my sent data is the date I commit the to the queue when sending the mail.  I do not particularly care one way or the other how long it takes for the queue to be processed.  ;-)[/quote]

This s certainly a matter of personal (or administrative) preference ...

>  Thomas R. Stephenson:
> I read the sent data a little differently that you do, my sent data is the date I commit the to the queue when sending the mail.  I do not
> particularly care one way or the other how long it takes for the queue to be processed.  ;-)
>
> This s certainly a matter of personal (or administrative) preference
> ...


Not really, it's just IAW the RFC 5322 standard.

3.6.1.  The Origination Date Field

   The origination date field consists of the field name "Date" followed
   by a date-time specification.

   orig-date       =   "Date:" date-time CRLF

   The origination date specifies the date and time at which the creator
   of the message indicated that the message was complete and ready to
   enter the mail delivery system.  For instance, this might be the time
   that a user pushes the "send" or "submit" button in an application
   program.  In any case, it is specifically not intended to convey the
   time that the message is actually transported, but rather the time at
   which the human or other creator of the message has put the message
   into its final form, ready for transport.  (For example, a portable
   computer user who is not connected to a network might queue a message
   for delivery.  The origination date is intended to contain the date
   and time that the user queued the message, not the time when the user
   connected to the network to send the message.)

[quote user="Thomas R. Stephenson"]Not really, it's just IAW the RFC 5322 standard.[/quote]

A questionable standard, IMO, reminds me of the hungry mathematician being left alone with a can of food and no tools in prison: "I define this can to be open" ...