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https/ no longer necessary in hyperlink URL?

[quote user="PaulW"][quote user="Brian Fluet"]

Yup.  The http:// should not be erased when inserting a hyperlink.  Instead, attention should be paid to whether it should be http:// or https:// unless you intent is not to provide a clickable hyperlink. 

A clickable hyperlink requires either http:// or https://.  As a test, send yourself two hyperlinks, one to "www.google.com" and one to "https://www.google.com/".  You will find that the one without the https:// will not be a clickable hyperlink.  Browsers handle adding the http* part automatically; hyperlinks need it so the system knows to invoke a browser.

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This certainly applies to Pegasus Mail but I've found that a lot of other mail clients will assume the HTTP protocol if none is specified - and websites with SSL certificates will often (usually?) rewrite HTTP to HTTPS.

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Agreed, but that is because they use full blown web browser engines to render messages. It is the browser that "accepts" the incomplete URL and provide what it "thinks" is missing. Pegasus Mail has a long history of compliance to the standards and safety and this may look awkward nowadays.

[quote user="PaulW"][quote user="Brian Fluet"]<p>Yup.  The http:// should not be erased when inserting a hyperlink.  Instead, attention should be paid to whether it should be http:// or https:// unless you intent is not to provide a clickable hyperlink. </p><p>A clickable hyperlink requires either http:// or https://.  As a test, send yourself two hyperlinks, one to "www.google.com" and one to "https://www.google.com/".  You will find that the one without the https:// will not be a clickable hyperlink.  Browsers handle adding the http* part automatically; hyperlinks need it so the system knows to invoke a browser. </p><p>[/quote]</p><p>This certainly applies to Pegasus Mail but I've found that a lot of other mail clients will assume the HTTP protocol if none is specified - and websites with SSL certificates will often (usually?) rewrite HTTP to HTTPS.</p><p>[/quote]</p><p>Agreed, but that is because they use full blown web browser engines to render messages. It is the browser that "accepts" the incomplete URL and provide what it "thinks" is missing. Pegasus Mail has a long history of compliance to the standards and safety and this may look awkward nowadays. </p>

This is about as trivial as it's possible to get, but having to erase the "https//" from the URL box when adding a hyperlink to a message is getting to me. Especially since my friends and relations think I'm Mme SuperSearch and are always asking me to find things on the Web (usually I do). Should you have a shred of patience left after dealing with real issues could you think about eliminating the prefilled https//? It doesn't seem to be essential -- older links from my collection that begin simply www seem to get to the sites just as well.

m

<p>This is about as trivial as it's possible to get, but having to erase the "https//" from the URL box when adding a hyperlink to a message is getting to me. Especially since my friends and relations think I'm Mme SuperSearch and are always asking me to find things on the Web (usually I do). Should you have a shred of patience left after dealing with real issues could you think about eliminating the prefilled https//? It doesn't seem to be essential -- older links from my collection that begin simply www seem to get to the sites just as well. </p><p>m </p>

I always put the same text into the name and url boxes. If you paste into the first one (name) and then press tab into the second one (url), the prefilled http is highlighted and you can paste into the box overwriting the existing text.

That way you can include http/https or just have a plain www link - whatever 

<p>I always put the same text into the name and url boxes. If you paste into the first one (name) and then press tab into the second one (url), the prefilled http is highlighted and you can paste into the box overwriting the existing text.</p><p>That way you can include http/https or just have a plain www link - whatever </p>

Urls like "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6OUi1V2c5s&list=PLFZR5OZdiCjFIH_IldXEUvxhm8R5_siDM&index=15&t=0s" are not very informative,  and it would have been hard for my friend to dig out the gist of  "https://www.dfw.state.or.us/resources/hunting/waterfowl/goose-permits/docs/Goosefieldguide_2ndEdition_final.pdf," especially as it was one of a list of equally long URLs of other ID pages I thought might help her. "Great Goose ID PDF"  was more to the point.

Short names for URLs are especially helpful when using a laptop, as the smaller window and subwindows require a lot of scrolling to write, edit, and view at the best of times.

<p>Urls like "<i>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6OUi1V2c5s&list=PLFZR5OZdiCjFIH_IldXEUvxhm8R5_siDM&index=15&t=0s</i>" are not very informative,  and it would have been hard for my friend to dig out the gist of  "<i>https://www.dfw.state.or.us/resources/hunting/waterfowl/goose-permits/docs/Goosefieldguide_2ndEdition_final.pdf,</i>" especially as it was one of a list of equally long URLs of other ID pages I thought might help her. "<b>Great Goose ID PDF</b>"  was more to the point.</p><p>Short names for URLs are especially helpful when using a laptop, as the smaller window and subwindows require a lot of scrolling to write, edit, and view at the best of times. </p>

As advised above by PaulW I too use to paste the address to both fields, Text and URL. The http:// suggested is to remember the user that the internet protocol is mandatory. It may be http://, https://, ftp://, file:///, mailto:, and many others. If you fail to provide the protocol you will send a broken link (to its best). As said, I copy the link to clipboard and all I need is to paste it to Text field, click TAB which will automatically select the suggested "http://", and paste it again substituting the selection. Easy peasy. [;)]

As advised above by PaulW I too use to paste the address to both fields, Text and URL. The http:// suggested is to remember the user that the internet protocol is mandatory. It may be http://, https://, ftp://, file:///, mailto:, and many others. If you fail to provide the protocol you will send a broken link (to its best). As said, I copy the link to clipboard and all I need is to paste it to Text field, click TAB which will automatically select the suggested "http://", and paste it again substituting the selection. Easy peasy. [;)]

[quote user="mollym"]

Urls like "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6OUi1V2c5s&list=PLFZR5OZdiCjFIH_IldXEUvxhm8R5_siDM&index=15&t=0s" are not very informative,  and it would have been hard for my friend to dig out the gist of  "https://www.dfw.state.or.us/resources/hunting/waterfowl/goose-permits/docs/Goosefieldguide_2ndEdition_final.pdf," especially as it was one of a list of equally long URLs of other ID pages I thought might help her. "Great Goose ID PDF"  was more to the point.

Short names for URLs are especially helpful when using a laptop, as the smaller window and subwindows require a lot of scrolling to write, edit, and view at the best of times.

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All agreed, so you can type the short name as you suggest, then press 'tab' and then Ctrl+V to paste the long url.

All I'm doing is suggesting a way to avoid the preset text - your original question as to whether it is still needed is valid but way down my own list of amendments.

[quote user="mollym"]<p>Urls like "<i>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6OUi1V2c5s&list=PLFZR5OZdiCjFIH_IldXEUvxhm8R5_siDM&index=15&t=0s</i>" are not very informative,  and it would have been hard for my friend to dig out the gist of  "<i>https://www.dfw.state.or.us/resources/hunting/waterfowl/goose-permits/docs/Goosefieldguide_2ndEdition_final.pdf,</i>" especially as it was one of a list of equally long URLs of other ID pages I thought might help her. "<b>Great Goose ID PDF</b>"  was more to the point.</p><p>Short names for URLs are especially helpful when using a laptop, as the smaller window and subwindows require a lot of scrolling to write, edit, and view at the best of times. </p><p>[/quote]</p><p>All agreed, so you can type the short name as you suggest, then press 'tab' and then Ctrl+V to paste the long url.</p><p>All I'm doing is suggesting a way to avoid the preset text - your original question as to whether it is still needed is valid but way down my own list of amendments.</p>

Small point here.  The HTTP or HTTPS is still required. Most sites don't advertise if they use HTTPS, and also will not advertise when they withdraw HTTP. The way to find out is to try using a browser to access the domain with both protocols and see which one tries to find the page.

Martin 

<p>Small point here.  The HTTP or HTTPS is still required. Most sites don't advertise if they use HTTPS, and also will not advertise when they withdraw HTTP. The way to find out is to try using a browser to access the domain with both protocols and see which one tries to find the page.</p><p>Martin </p>

[quote user="irelam"]Small point here.  The HTTP or HTTPS is still required. Most sites don't advertise if they use HTTPS, and also will not advertise when they withdraw HTTP. The way to find out is to try using a browser to access the domain with both protocols and see which one tries to find the page.[/quote]

Yup.  The http:// should not be erased when inserting a hyperlink.  Instead, attention should be paid to whether it should be http:// or https:// unless you intent is not to provide a clickable hyperlink. 

A clickable hyperlink requires either http:// or https://.  As a test, send yourself two hyperlinks, one to "www.google.com" and one to "https://www.google.com/".  You will find that the one without the https:// will not be a clickable hyperlink.  Browsers handle adding the http* part automatically; hyperlinks need it so the system knows to invoke a browser.

<p>[quote user="irelam"]Small point here.  The HTTP or HTTPS is still required. Most sites don't advertise if they use HTTPS, and also will not advertise when they withdraw HTTP. The way to find out is to try using a browser to access the domain with both protocols and see which one tries to find the page.[/quote]</p><p>Yup.  The http:// should not be erased when inserting a hyperlink.  Instead, attention should be paid to whether it should be http:// or https:// unless you intent is not to provide a clickable hyperlink. </p><p>A clickable hyperlink requires either http:// or https://.  As a test, send yourself two hyperlinks, one to "www.google.com" and one to "https://www.google.com/".  You will find that the one without the https:// will not be a clickable hyperlink.  Browsers handle adding the http* part automatically; hyperlinks need it so the system knows to invoke a browser. </p>

<way down my own list of amendments.

 [:D]

 

&lt;p&gt;&amp;lt;way down my own&amp;nbsp;list of amendments.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;[:D]&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

Yeahbut, the point is kind of that one click on a URL invariably selects the entire URL ever since I can remember.  Which means the prefilled HTTP:// is superfluous. And may not be correct in some cases? All the browsers I've used claim to and where one has a choice default to filling in missing protocols. For example, I just tested the URL displayed here:

http://community.pmail.com/forums/thread/51747.aspx

in a new tab and got the page with no trouble.

I then reduced "https://www.dfw.state.or.us/resources/..." to "dfw.state.or.us/resources/..." by stages and got to the field guide (the site) instantly, somewhat to my surprise.

Not sure all browsers are as efficient about this as Firefox and SeaMonkey, but SeaMonkey's more than a bit creaky in other places. Maybe I'll try the protocol reduction game on an iPad when I get to one.

I didn't mean to start a tempest in a teapot! (Why do I always end up saying this...)

Thanks, all.

molly

&lt;p&gt;Yeahbut, the point is kind of that one click on a URL invariably selects the entire URL ever since I can remember.&amp;nbsp; Which means the prefilled HTTP:// is superfluous. And may not be correct in some cases? All the browsers I&#039;ve used claim to and where one has a choice default to filling in missing protocols. For example, I just tested the URL displayed here: &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;http://community.pmail.com/forums/thread/51747.aspx&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;in a new tab and got the page with no trouble.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I then reduced &quot;https://www.dfw.state.or.us/resources/...&quot; to &quot;dfw.state.or.us/resources/...&quot; by stages and got to the field guide (the site) instantly, somewhat to my surprise. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Not sure all browsers are as efficient about this as Firefox and SeaMonkey, but SeaMonkey&#039;s more than a bit creaky in other places. Maybe I&#039;ll try the protocol reduction game on an iPad when I get to one. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I didn&#039;t mean to start a tempest in a teapot! (Why do I always end up saying this...)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thanks, all.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;molly &lt;/p&gt;

[quote user="Brian Fluet"]

Yup.  The http:// should not be erased when inserting a hyperlink.  Instead, attention should be paid to whether it should be http:// or https:// unless you intent is not to provide a clickable hyperlink. 

A clickable hyperlink requires either http:// or https://.  As a test, send yourself two hyperlinks, one to "www.google.com" and one to "https://www.google.com/".  You will find that the one without the https:// will not be a clickable hyperlink.  Browsers handle adding the http* part automatically; hyperlinks need it so the system knows to invoke a browser.

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This certainly applies to Pegasus Mail but I've found that a lot of other mail clients will assume the HTTP protocol if none is specified - and websites with SSL certificates will often (usually?) rewrite HTTP to HTTPS.

[quote user=&quot;Brian Fluet&quot;]&lt;p&gt;Yup.&amp;nbsp; The http:// should not be erased when inserting a hyperlink.&amp;nbsp; Instead, attention should be paid to whether it should be http:// or https:// unless you intent is not to provide a clickable hyperlink.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;A clickable hyperlink requires either http:// or https://.&amp;nbsp; As a test, send yourself two hyperlinks, one to &quot;www.google.com&quot; and one to &quot;https://www.google.com/&quot;.&amp;nbsp; You will find that the one without the https:// will not be a clickable hyperlink.&amp;nbsp; Browsers handle adding the http* part automatically; hyperlinks need it so the system knows to invoke a browser. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;[/quote]&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This certainly applies to Pegasus Mail but I&#039;ve found that&amp;nbsp;a lot of other mail clients will assume the&amp;nbsp;HTTP protocol if none is specified - and websites with SSL certificates will&amp;nbsp;often (usually?)&amp;nbsp;rewrite HTTP to HTTPS.&lt;/p&gt;
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