Pegasus Mail Suggestions
Column Bar of the Copy to self folder to be adapted (from / to)

Each folder window has the same column bars: from, subject, date/time, size.
Also the assigned "Copy to Self" folder has these predefined columns, but when a sent mail is being copied into it, the "from" column contains entries like: "To: addressee". This might be accepted when working only with Pmail.


But when using different mail clients (e.g. Thunderbird) to access one mailbox, these other clients always enter the real sender address, means my own address, into this column. And that is correct behaviour since the column is named "From".


"Copy to self" folders should get a real column "To" instead of abused column "From".


Each folder window has the same column bars: from, subject, date/time, size. Also the assigned "Copy to Self" folder has these predefined columns, but when a sent mail is being copied into it, the "from" column contains entries like: "To: addressee". This might be accepted when working only with Pmail. But when using different mail clients (e.g. Thunderbird) to access one mailbox, these other clients always enter the real sender address, means my own address, into this column. And that is correct behaviour since the column is named "From". "Copy to self" folders should get a real column "To" instead of abused column "From".

So you are complaining about the "misleading" label of the column which only shows addresses starting with "To:" so you might erroneously misinterpret them as being "From:" addresses because other email clients don't do so, do I get this right, Joerg? ;-)


Well, I'm using a pair of folders in a tray fo each recipient I'm reading/writing more than a couple of times with and guess what: There's one for the incoming and one for the outgoing messages so I don't mix them up. This isn't a joke and I'm doing so ever since I started using email at all. IOW: Column headers don't matter to me plus it takes double the time to hit the 2 GB folder size limit, pretty convenient!


But although I'm not quite sure, it might become possible to better customize folders in Pegasus Mail v5.


So you are complaining about the "misleading" label of the column which only shows addresses starting with "To:" so you might erroneously misinterpret them as being "From:" addresses because other email clients don't do so, do I get this right, Joerg? ;-) Well, I'm using a pair of folders in a tray fo each recipient I'm reading/writing more than a couple of times with and guess what: There's one for the incoming and one for the outgoing messages so I don't mix them up. This isn't a joke and I'm doing so ever since I started using email at all. IOW: Column headers don't matter to me plus it takes double the time to hit the 2 GB folder size limit, pretty convenient! But although I'm not quite sure, it might become possible to better customize folders in Pegasus Mail v5.
			Michael
--
IERenderer's Homepage
PGP Key ID (RSA 2048): 0xC45D831B
S/MIME Fingerprint: 94C6B471 0C623088 A5B27701 742B8666 3B7E657C

Maybe I should explain a little bit more detailed what I mean.
We are living in times where mailboxes being accessed by different mail clients, think about smartphones, home office workers, etc.
Also with us, our mailboxes, hosted by Mercury at a local server, are being accessed by Pegasus, Thunderbird and Roundcube.


When you are sending a mail by Pmail, it is making a "copy to self" entry into a folder of your choice (if configured), e.g. "Outgoing 2022". But this folder has the same column headers like incoming folders. Additionally these columns cannot be adapted. That's why Pmail is using a "workaround" and is adding "To:" entries into the "From:" column.
This is not a problem as long as you are only using Pmail and it doesn't matter to me whether the column header reads "From" or "To" as long as within the column each outgoing mail is marked with "To: addressee".


But when sending mails (from the same mailbox account) using Thunderbird, it is adding the real sender address (my sender address) for "from:" entries, which is correct.
But if you later using Pmail again, the following is shown in your "Outgoing 2022" folder:


62075d87eb23f
You see that mails which has been sent by Pmail are marked with "To: addressee" entries while mail which has been sent by Thunderbird are showing my sender address only, which is normally correct for a "From:" column.


Pmail should have configurable columns like other mail clients have. Then the user could select what kind of columns he wants to see. Then he could chose a "from" column for incoming mail folders and a "To" column for outgoing mail folders, or of course both, if you want to see the "from" and "to" entries. See below the column header context dropdown box of Thunderbird, where you could select which columns should be shown.


62075e69da6a2


Maybe I should explain a little bit more detailed what I mean. We are living in times where mailboxes being accessed by different mail clients, think about smartphones, home office workers, etc. Also with us, our mailboxes, hosted by Mercury at a local server, are being accessed by Pegasus, Thunderbird and Roundcube. When you are sending a mail by Pmail, it is making a "copy to self" entry into a folder of your choice (if configured), e.g. "Outgoing 2022". But this folder has the same column headers like incoming folders. Additionally these columns cannot be adapted. That's why Pmail is using a "workaround" and is adding "To:" entries into the "From:" column. This is not a problem as long as you are only using Pmail and it doesn't matter to me whether the column header reads "From" or "To" as long as within the column each outgoing mail is marked with "To: addressee". But when sending mails (from the same mailbox account) using Thunderbird, it is adding the real sender address (my sender address) for "from:" entries, which is correct. But if you later using Pmail again, the following is shown in your "Outgoing 2022" folder: ![62075d87eb23f](serve/attachment&path=62075d87eb23f) You see that mails which has been sent by Pmail are marked with "To: addressee" entries while mail which has been sent by Thunderbird are showing my sender address only, which is normally correct for a "From:" column. Pmail should have configurable columns like other mail clients have. Then the user could select what kind of columns he wants to see. Then he could chose a "from" column for incoming mail folders and a "To" column for outgoing mail folders, or of course both, if you want to see the "from" and "to" entries. See below the column header context dropdown box of Thunderbird, where you could select which columns should be shown. ![62075e69da6a2](serve/attachment&path=62075e69da6a2)
edited Feb 12 '22 at 7:24 am

You see that mails which has been sent by Pmail are marked with "To: addressee" entries while mail which has been sent by Thunderbird are showing my sender address only, which is normally correct for a "From:" column.


OK, for now there's only a work-around: Highlight these messages and select Message properties from the context menu (or press F12), then enable the Is a copy to self flag from the list of properties and press the Return key as often as the dialog pops up. This will change the display of all messages previously selected to the same way as Pegasus Mail does by default.
I don't remember whether there's an extension available for achiving this via a filter rule but maybe someone else of the long standing Pegasus Mail users does. It shouldn't be to difficult to create one, though ...


[quote="pid:53373, uid:3785"]You see that mails which has been sent by Pmail are marked with "To: addressee" entries while mail which has been sent by Thunderbird are showing my sender address only, which is normally correct for a "From:" column.[/quote] OK, for now there's only a work-around: Highlight these messages and select _Message properties_ from the context menu (or press F12), then enable the _Is a copy to self_ flag from the list of properties and press the Return key as often as the dialog pops up. This will change the display of all messages previously selected to the same way as Pegasus Mail does by default. I don't remember whether there's an extension available for achiving this via a filter rule but maybe someone else of the long standing Pegasus Mail users does. It shouldn't be to difficult to create one, though ...
			Michael
--
IERenderer's Homepage
PGP Key ID (RSA 2048): 0xC45D831B
S/MIME Fingerprint: 94C6B471 0C623088 A5B27701 742B8666 3B7E657C

OK, for now there's only a work-around: Highlight these messages and select Message properties from the context menu (or press F12), then enable the Is a copy to self flag from the list of properties and press the Return key as often as the dialog pops up. This will change the display of all messages previously selected to the same way as Pegasus Mail does by default.

Thanks for the hint, but it doesn't work. As soon as I change that property of an "Thunderbird sent" mail, Pmail is only adding a "To:" in front of the address but is not replacing my sender address with the addressee where the mail has been sent to.


620a1d082258a


[quote="pid:53374, uid:2133"]OK, for now there's only a work-around: Highlight these messages and select Message properties from the context menu (or press F12), then enable the Is a copy to self flag from the list of properties and press the Return key as often as the dialog pops up. This will change the display of all messages previously selected to the same way as Pegasus Mail does by default.[/quote] Thanks for the hint, but it doesn't work. As soon as I change that property of an "Thunderbird sent" mail, Pmail is only adding a "To:" in front of the address but is not replacing my sender address with the addressee where the mail has been sent to. ![620a1d082258a](serve/attachment&path=620a1d082258a)
edited Feb 14 '22 at 9:12 am

Ah yes, I see, that's different from my concept because I'm using normal folders for outgoing messages as well, not a special "copy-to-self" folder for all outgoing messages (which IMO doesn't make any sense unless sorting by tasks instead of recipients since you can only have a single "copy-to-self" folder).


Ah yes, I see, that's different from my concept because I'm using normal folders for outgoing messages as well, not a special "copy-to-self" folder for all outgoing messages (which IMO doesn't make any sense unless sorting by tasks instead of recipients since you can only have a single "copy-to-self" folder).
			Michael
--
IERenderer's Homepage
PGP Key ID (RSA 2048): 0xC45D831B
S/MIME Fingerprint: 94C6B471 0C623088 A5B27701 742B8666 3B7E657C

Moin Michael,
Background is the data protection requirement to delete all mails which are older than 10 years. And I'm the data protection officer in our company and responsible that all personal data being deleted when the legal data retention time has been exceeded or the reason for processing of personal data is gone.
And that's why our staff should sort its mails into annual folders, divided by incoming and outgoing mail. That makes it easier for me to delete the obsolete yearly folders for my 20 users since nobody else takes care.
But of course, for special projects we are maintaining also other folders with mixed incoming and outgoing mail conversations.


Moin Michael, Background is the data protection requirement to delete all mails which are older than 10 years. And I'm the data protection officer in our company and responsible that all personal data being deleted when the legal data retention time has been exceeded or the reason for processing of personal data is gone. And that's why our staff should sort its mails into annual folders, divided by incoming and outgoing mail. That makes it easier for me to delete the obsolete yearly folders for my 20 users since nobody else takes care. But of course, for special projects we are maintaining also other folders with mixed incoming and outgoing mail conversations.
edited Feb 15 '22 at 7:56 am

it easier for me to delete the obsolete yearly folders for my 20 users since nobody else takes care.

... to the disadvantage of not being able to sort by threads, does this really make sense (aside from the administrator's view)?


[quote="pid:53423, uid:3785"]it easier for me to delete the obsolete yearly folders for my 20 users since nobody else takes care.[/quote] ... to the disadvantage of not being able to sort by threads, does this really make sense (aside from the administrator's view)?
			Michael
--
IERenderer's Homepage
PGP Key ID (RSA 2048): 0xC45D831B
S/MIME Fingerprint: 94C6B471 0C623088 A5B27701 742B8666 3B7E657C

Refer also to this forums thread, which addresses the problem as well:


how-can-i-change-column-header-panels-in-sent-folder


Refer also to this forums thread, which addresses the problem as well: [how-can-i-change-column-header-panels-in-sent-folder](https://community.pmail.com/index.php?u=/topic/11611/how-can-i-change-column-header-panels-in-sent-folder "how-can-i-change-column-header-panels-in-sent-folder")

Hi there,
I'm very grateful to Joerg, as I wanted for years to ask for such feature (I've been using PMail for a quarter of century, but only today I've joined the Community smile ).
Using paralelly to Pegasus two other mailing apps, I nevertheless use PMail as a "central archive" at work, so I download the copies-to-self (further "c-t-s" ) of the mails sent by the external mailers (as Gmail), resulting of sometimes dozens of mails in "New mail" folder with my address as the addressee (external mailers do not mark c-t-s as such, so they are mixed with those I received from elsewhere). To this point it's OK, as I can easily filter the c-t-s, but then, after marking them all using method described by Michael above (select+F12 +several(dozen) times "Is a copy to self" & Enter) and before transferring them to the "Copies to self" folder, I must meticulously copy the addressees' adresses from "To:" into the "From:" field of every c-t-s mail, to obtain the desirable result, ie. real addressee after "To:" in the "From:" column.
I think the other way than adding a "To:" column might be an (optional) mechanism, that after marking a message as a c-t-s in "Properties" (in F12 dialog), along with adding "To:" before the (sender) address, it would automatically copy the addressee into this field (the same way, as the PM treats the c-t-s sent from the PM itself).


Hi there, I'm very grateful to Joerg, as I wanted for years to ask for such feature (I've been using PMail for a quarter of century, but only today I've joined the Community :) ). Using paralelly to Pegasus two other mailing apps, I nevertheless use PMail as a "central archive" at work, so I download the copies-to-self (further "c-t-s" ) of the mails sent by the external mailers (as Gmail), resulting of sometimes dozens of mails in "New mail" folder with my address as the addressee (external mailers do not mark c-t-s as such, so they are mixed with those I received from elsewhere). To this point it's OK, as I can easily filter the c-t-s, but then, after marking them all using method described by Michael above (select+F12 +several(dozen) times "Is a copy to self" & Enter) and before transferring them to the "Copies to self" folder, I must meticulously copy the addressees' adresses from "To:" into the "From:" field of every c-t-s mail, to obtain the desirable result, ie. real addressee after "To:" in the "From:" column. I think the other way than adding a "To:" column might be an (optional) mechanism, that after marking a message as a c-t-s in "Properties" (in F12 dialog), along with adding "To:" before the (sender) address, it would automatically copy the addressee into this field (the same way, as the PM treats the c-t-s sent from the PM itself).
edited Mar 18 at 9:03 am

Welcome to the Community crayfish.


I think there is a partial fix to your copyself issue in the 4.81 public beta. It has added the option to save a copyself in "Final form" which includes images and attachments. When a copyself is saved in "Final form", it displays you as the "From" in the saved folder. This still falls short in that the "To" recipient is not listed, but it solves the frustration of copyself copies not being complete copies of what was actually sent. Details are here: https://www.pmail.com/v48x.htm


If you are not running the v4.81 public beta, it is worth the upgrade, with a caveat. It contains a bug that affects anyone whose Home and New mailbox directories are different. If yours are the same, upgrading is recommended. If you are not sure about the Home and New locations, in Pegasus Mail go to Help > About Pegasus Mail then click the Info button. The resulting display will contain entries showing the path to Home and New.


Welcome to the Community crayfish. I think there is a partial fix to your copyself issue in the 4.81 public beta. It has added the option to save a copyself in "Final form" which includes images and attachments. When a copyself is saved in "Final form", it displays you as the "From" in the saved folder. This still falls short in that the "To" recipient is not listed, but it solves the frustration of copyself copies not being complete copies of what was actually sent. Details are here: https://www.pmail.com/v48x.htm If you are not running the v4.81 public beta, it is worth the upgrade, with a caveat. It contains a bug that affects anyone whose Home and New mailbox directories are different. If yours are the same, upgrading is recommended. If you are not sure about the Home and New locations, in Pegasus Mail go to Help > About Pegasus Mail then click the Info button. The resulting display will contain entries showing the path to Home and New.

Thanks, but it was the feature shown by Joerg in the first posts (I probably should cite that, as the chat does not make possible to reply to the former messages) what I was primarily lacking. It was the "real" addressee automatically after "To:" for the external (imported, not PM native) copies to self.
Saving with all attachments in my case would be in fact normally a nuisance, although in some cases useful, so I would prefer to have this option also in every new message window, along with "Copy to self" checkfield, not only in global preferences.


But your post (apart from I'm not sure if what I'm using - 4.81.1154 - is beta or not; is does not tell "Beta" anywhere, but it has the feature you mentioned) about the bug perhaps cleared to me, why I could not redirect my "new mail folder" - it stays "<default>" whatever I try - perhaps it's this bug also? (I've just upgraded PM from 4.7 due to Gmail ceasing support to anything but OAUTH2). But this is for another thread.
Best,


Thanks, but it was the feature shown by Joerg in the first posts (I probably should cite that, as the chat does not make possible to reply to the former messages) what I was primarily lacking. It was the &quot;real&quot; addressee automatically after &quot;To:&quot; for the external (imported, not PM native) copies to self. Saving with all attachments in my case would be in fact normally a nuisance, although in some cases useful, so I would prefer to have this option also in every new message window, along with &quot;Copy to self&quot; checkfield, not only in global preferences. But your post (apart from I&#039;m not sure if what I&#039;m using - 4.81.1154 - is beta or not; is does not tell &quot;Beta&quot; anywhere, but it has the feature you mentioned) about the bug perhaps cleared to me, why I could not redirect my &quot;new mail folder&quot; - it stays &quot;&lt;default&gt;&quot; whatever I try - perhaps it&#039;s this bug also? (I&#039;ve just upgraded PM from 4.7 due to Gmail ceasing support to anything but OAUTH2). But this is for another thread. Best,
edited Mar 19 at 7:37 am

But your post (apart from I'm not sure if what I'm using - 4.81.1154 - is beta or not; is does not tell "Beta" anywhere, but it has the feature you mentioned) about the bug perhaps cleared to me, why I could not redirect my "new mail folder" - it stays "<default>" whatever I try - perhaps it's this bug also? (I've just upgraded PM from 4.7 due to Gmail ceasing support to anything but OAUTH2). But this is for another thread.


Version 4.81.1154 is the public beta version.


There is no way to redirect the new mail folder, only the home mailbox directory. This is done in Tools > Options > General settings > Mailbox location. If this is where you are referring to, and it is showing "<DEFAULT>" even though you tried to change it, please post back with whether Pegasus Mail is using the directory that you specified. To do this go to Help > About Pegasus Mail then press the Info button. The resulting display will contain the path to the Home mailbox directory being used. This will help to start figuring out whether the 'move home mailbox' function is broken or whether the new path doesn't replace <DEFAULT> in the configuration screen.


As for Gmail, it still accepts authentication with an app password, at least it still does for me.
They stopped allowing "Basic authentication" which is your Google login username and password.


[quote=&quot;pid:57488, uid:50613&quot;]But your post (apart from I&#039;m not sure if what I&#039;m using - 4.81.1154 - is beta or not; is does not tell &quot;Beta&quot; anywhere, but it has the feature you mentioned) about the bug perhaps cleared to me, why I could not redirect my &quot;new mail folder&quot; - it stays &quot;&lt;default&gt;&quot; whatever I try - perhaps it&#039;s this bug also? (I&#039;ve just upgraded PM from 4.7 due to Gmail ceasing support to anything but OAUTH2). But this is for another thread.[/quote] Version 4.81.1154 is the public beta version. There is no way to redirect the new mail folder, only the home mailbox directory. This is done in Tools &gt; Options &gt; General settings &gt; Mailbox location. If this is where you are referring to, and it is showing &quot;&lt;DEFAULT&gt;&quot; even though you tried to change it, please post back with whether Pegasus Mail is using the directory that you specified. To do this go to Help &gt; About Pegasus Mail then press the Info button. The resulting display will contain the path to the Home mailbox directory being used. This will help to start figuring out whether the &#039;move home mailbox&#039; function is broken or whether the new path doesn&#039;t replace &lt;DEFAULT&gt; in the configuration screen. As for Gmail, it still accepts authentication with an app password, at least it still does for me. They stopped allowing &quot;Basic authentication&quot; which is your Google login username and password.
live preview
enter atleast 10 characters
WARNING: You mentioned %MENTIONS%, but they cannot see this message and will not be notified
Saving...
Saved
With selected deselect posts show selected posts
All posts under this topic will be deleted ?
Pending draft ... Click to resume editing
Discard draft