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coping IMAP mails to local PMAIL folders

I too use per project folders with both IN and OUT mails (via IMAP on Mercury server) and the inability to add a To: column means I have to use Thunderbird [:$]

I too use per project folders with both IN and OUT mails (via IMAP on Mercury server) and the inability to add a To: column means I have to use Thunderbird [:$]

I use PMail on both laptop and desktop, so don't need to use browser-based mail programs too often (if so, mostly Questmail, occasionally some other program installed by a local provider). I recently tried to copy some of those Questmail "sent" mails down to my local PMail, to have copies also from outgoing mails. That is no problem. There is, however, one annoying fact. Whatever I try (even download them through PMails own IMAP feature and copy them, etc) , PMail keeps regarding them as an "incoming" mail, presumably because it was not this PMail copy that send it out.  

In the Questmail "sent" folder I see who I sent a mail to, but

moving and popping it down to my local PMail shows me in a PMail folder only my own address.

Creating an IMAP profile in PMail and connecting through there did not work either. I had the PMail IMAP "sent" folder and Questmail "sent" folder open

next to each other. Both have the same messages, but display them

differently. That is, even in PMail IMAP I still see those message as

"being sent from", showing my own address, and not as the Questmail

"sent" folder, which shows the receiver's address

Any way how to tell PMail that with those mails, it should present them as "sent to" mails showing the receiver's address and not the sender's (my own)? 

Thanks, keep up the good work

McDuff 

 

<p>I use PMail on both laptop and desktop, so don't need to use browser-based mail programs too often (if so, mostly Questmail, occasionally some other program installed by a local provider). I recently tried to copy some of those Questmail "sent" mails down to my local PMail, to have copies also from outgoing mails. That is no problem. There is, however, one annoying fact. Whatever I try (even download them through PMails own IMAP feature and copy them, etc) , PMail keeps regarding them as an "incoming" mail, presumably because it was not this PMail copy that send it out.   </p><p>In the Questmail "sent" folder I see who I sent a mail to, but moving and popping it down to my local PMail shows me in a PMail folder only my own address. </p><p>Creating an IMAP profile in PMail and connecting through there did not work either. I had the PMail IMAP "sent" folder and Questmail "sent" folder open next to each other. Both have the same messages, but display them differently. That is, even in PMail IMAP I still see those message as "being sent from", showing my own address, and not as the Questmail "sent" folder, which shows the receiver's address</p><p>Any way how to tell PMail that with those mails, it should present them as "sent to" mails showing the receiver's address and not the sender's (my own)? </p><p>Thanks, keep up the good work</p><p>McDuff </p><p> </p>

You should be able to fix them one message at a time.  After copying them to your local folder via IMAP, right click the message (or F12), check "Is a copy to self", and change the "Text shown in From column" to the recipient's address.  It's kludgey but it works.

You should be able to fix them one message at a time.  After copying them to your local folder via IMAP, right click the message (or F12), check "Is a copy to self", and change the "Text shown in From column" to the recipient's address.  It's kludgey but it works.

As Zorro had said, you'll have to go through and flag each message as a "Copy to Self" message. To expand on that and explain why (maybe if you understand the reasons, you can figure out some work-around that works for you).. PMail (and most other mail clients, really), cannot tell from the normal message headers if it's an incoming message to you, or a message you wrote but saved a copy for your own records. They *could* try to check if the message has a "From: youremailaddress@yourisp.com" header line, but that's about as reliable as trusting mail marked "This is not spam!" really isn't spam. Spammers (and even legitimate mailing lists) sometimes mangle the headers for specific purposes which would confuse your mail client. The "To:", "From:", "Cc:", "Bcc:" etc lines in mail messages are pretty much eyecandy--The mail system pretty much ignores them! Think of them more like the letterhead of paper/postal mail; It doesn't have to match the addresses on the envelope for delivery, nor does the postal system even care what address is listed on the letterhead nor whether or not it matches the envelope. To them, the mail is from and to the addresses on the envelope and the contents inside the envelope could be anything. (You've heard the old joke about the guy who accidentally put the wrong cards in the envelopes addressed to someone else--one on vacation in the tropics, the other deceased, right?)

The only way your mail client knows which messages are copies to self are if it somehow marks or indexes them as such. For PMail, there is a code added to the headers stored with your mail message--which PMail removes before sending the mail to the Internet; The code added is only for PMail's internal use. Furthermore, IMAP servers usually won't have a clue, nor care, how to add such codes to make PMail happy. Unfortunately, the mail filtering system in PMail doesn't have some option to "flag this mail as copy to self," so you'll have to do it by hand or have some external processor add the headers PMail expects before passing it on to PMail.

Regards,

C. M.

 

<p>As Zorro had said, you'll have to go through and flag each message as a "Copy to Self" message. To expand on that and explain why (maybe if you understand the reasons, you can figure out some work-around that works for you).. PMail (and most other mail clients, really), cannot tell from the normal message headers if it's an incoming message to you, or a message you wrote but saved a copy for your own records. They *could* try to check if the message has a "From: youremailaddress@yourisp.com" header line, but that's about as reliable as trusting mail marked "This is not spam!" really isn't spam. Spammers (and even legitimate mailing lists) sometimes mangle the headers for specific purposes which would confuse your mail client. The "To:", "From:", "Cc:", "Bcc:" etc lines in mail messages are pretty much eyecandy--The mail system pretty much ignores them! Think of them more like the letterhead of paper/postal mail; It doesn't have to match the addresses on the envelope for delivery, nor does the postal system even care what address is listed on the letterhead nor whether or not it matches the envelope. To them, the mail is from and to the addresses on the envelope and the contents inside the envelope could be anything. (You've heard the old joke about the guy who accidentally put the wrong cards in the envelopes addressed to someone else--one on vacation in the tropics, the other deceased, right?)</p><p>The only way your mail client knows which messages are copies to self are if it somehow marks or indexes them as such. For PMail, there is a code added to the headers stored with your mail message--which PMail removes before sending the mail to the Internet; The code added is only for PMail's internal use. Furthermore, IMAP servers usually won't have a clue, nor care, how to add such codes to make PMail happy. Unfortunately, the mail filtering system in PMail doesn't have some option to "flag this mail as copy to self," so you'll have to do it by hand or have some external processor add the headers PMail expects before passing it on to PMail.</p><p>Regards,</p><p>C. M.</p><p> </p>

The best and efficient way to handle this issue would be a change of the folder design. An additional column "to" would really solve the problem. No matter whether indexed as copy to self or not.

Such changed folder design would work really well with gmail, which automatically provides copies of emails that are sent over the web interface, to the local email client via pop3 (and vice versa as well). Filters move those mails to the right (copy-to-self) folder, everything is fine except for this annoying "from" entry in the message list.

<P>The best and efficient way to handle this issue would be a change of the folder design. An additional column "to" would really solve the problem. No matter whether indexed as copy to self or not.</P> <P>Such changed folder design would work really well with gmail, which automatically provides copies of emails that are sent over the web interface, to the local email client via pop3 (and vice versa as well). Filters move those mails to the right (copy-to-self) folder, everything is fine except for this annoying "from" entry in the message list.</P>

I second that heartily!

It should have been done a *long* time ago.

Pegasus still uses the 2.x folder structure, which is due for a major overhaul, IMHO.

 

Great Holidays to al!

François

 

<p>I second that heartily!</p><p>It should have been done a *long* time ago.</p><p>Pegasus still uses the 2.x folder structure, which is due for a major overhaul, IMHO.</p><p> </p><p>Great Holidays to al!</p><p>François</p><p> </p>

[quote user="Zorro"]You should be able to fix them one message at a time. After copying them to your local folder via IMAP, right click the message (or F12), check "Is a copy to self", and change the "Text shown in From column" to the recipient's address. It's kludgey but it works.[/quote]

 

Thanks, and C.M. also for further details. It works but, as Zorro mentioned, it is a pain.

To elaborate, working with two non-profits I take care of 11 email addresses. My main address has over 40 folders sorted mainly by topic - project. This is done so that if I need to check what's going one, I can easily see and sort incoming and outgoing mails within a folder and find what I am looking for. Having all "to:" mails in one folder would therefore not work. Zorro's solution works but is a pain if its more than a few mails.

Whatever, there are worse problems.

Thanks for the answers, keep up the good work.

McDuff   

<p>[quote user="Zorro"]You should be able to fix them one message at a time. After copying them to your local folder via IMAP, right click the message (or F12), check "Is a copy to self", and change the "Text shown in From column" to the recipient's address. It's kludgey but it works.[/quote]</p><p> </p><p>Thanks, and C.M. also for further details. It works but, as Zorro mentioned, it is a pain. </p><p>To elaborate, working with two non-profits I take care of 11 email addresses. My main address has over 40 folders sorted mainly by topic - project. This is done so that if I need to check what's going one, I can easily see and sort incoming and outgoing mails within a folder and find what I am looking for. Having all "to:" mails in one folder would therefore not work. Zorro's solution works but is a pain if its more than a few mails. </p><p>Whatever, there are worse problems.</p><p>Thanks for the answers, keep up the good work. </p><p>McDuff   </p>
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