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New Mailbox "New mail folder"

Thank you all for your advice. Thomas' work around worked quite well. Your support is much appreciated and keeps Pegasus alive! Happy Holidays.

Thank you all for your advice. Thomas' work around worked quite well. Your support is much appreciated and keeps Pegasus alive! Happy Holidays.

I have 2 mailboxes and a separate identity for each. One is the default from pop3 sourceA and the second is from pop3 sourceB. The newest mailbox (not default) has a "New mail folder" file that I would like to use to download new mail as identityB. However, all my new mail goes into the original default new mailbox location. Is there any way to use this new "new mail folder"? Thank you.

I have 2 mailboxes and a separate identity for each. One is the default from pop3 sourceA and the second is from pop3 sourceB. The newest mailbox (not default) has a "New mail folder" file that I would like to use to download new mail as identityB. However, all my new mail goes into the original default new mailbox location. Is there any way to use this new "new mail folder"? Thank you.

You can try to create a filter rule matching your needs,

think this sould be possible.

<P>You can try to create a filter rule matching your needs, </P><P>think this sould be possible.</P>

Unfortunately, there isn't. Currently, there is no way to specify a different new mail folder for different profiles/identities, and filter rules are not always reliable (I've tried, but there's enough variation in mail headers to make doing this accurately a difficult task! I've even talked a bit with one of the developers in the past about maybe adding a header to downloaded email to indicate which POP3 profile the mail came from, but the structure of the code made that too difficult or impossible.. Maybe they'll do it in v5 with the rewrite.. maybe not..)

What you can do, however, is create multiple PMail users, and just switch between users. The only problem with this is you cannot just run PMail in the tray downloading your mail from all accounts every five mins.. You'll have to switch between users to get new mail.

You could also create multiple identities in one user account, but disable automatic mail check/download. Then, when you manually check and get new mail for each account, just copy it out of your main new mail folder into the folder for the mail account you just checked.

If you really want to try doing rules filters.. A few tips of what WILL NOT work.. First, you cannot count on the "To:" line being correct for your account. Some mailing lists, for example, make the "To:" line point to the list address itself, rather than your mailbox. (Mailservers don't read the mail's "To:" line to decide who to send mail to. Instead, mail gets sent to servers using an "envelope" that tells the servers who to deliver to. Unfortunately, the mailservers discard the envelope after successfully delivery to your mailbox--even before you check mail. some are kind enough to add something like an "Apparently-To:", "Envelope-To:" or other such line with the address from the envelope, but most do not.)

Nor can you count on the "Received:" line to contain your providers mailserver signature to identify; Such rules can be fooled by others from one of your providers sending mail to your other account. Since rules don't have an option to "Check only the last Received: line", they'll match if ANY "Received:" line matches the signature you set, which can be hard to make totally unique when receiving the mail.

Another alternative is to use a separate POP3 downloader/manager (such as Mercury mail? ;-)) which can download mail from multiple POP3 servers and add a header to indicate which POP3 account it came from. Then you can filter in PMail based on this header.

Regards,
C. M.

Unfortunately, there isn't. Currently, there is no way to specify a different new mail folder for different profiles/identities, and filter rules are not always reliable (I've tried, but there's enough variation in mail headers to make doing this accurately a difficult task! I've even talked a bit with one of the developers in the past about maybe adding a header to downloaded email to indicate which POP3 profile the mail came from, but the structure of the code made that too difficult or impossible.. Maybe they'll do it in v5 with the rewrite.. maybe not..) What you can do, however, is create multiple PMail users, and just switch between users. The only problem with this is you cannot just run PMail in the tray downloading your mail from all accounts every five mins.. You'll have to switch between users to get new mail. You could also create multiple identities in one user account, but disable automatic mail check/download. Then, when you manually check and get new mail for each account, just copy it out of your main new mail folder into the folder for the mail account you just checked. If you really want to try doing rules filters.. A few tips of what WILL NOT work.. First, you cannot count on the "To:" line being correct for your account. Some mailing lists, for example, make the "To:" line point to the list address itself, rather than your mailbox. (Mailservers don't read the mail's "To:" line to decide who to send mail to. Instead, mail gets sent to servers using an "envelope" that tells the servers who to deliver to. Unfortunately, the mailservers discard the envelope after successfully delivery to your mailbox--even before you check mail. some are kind enough to add something like an "Apparently-To:", "Envelope-To:" or other such line with the address from the envelope, but most do not.) Nor can you count on the "Received:" line to contain your providers mailserver signature to identify; Such rules can be fooled by others from one of your providers sending mail to your other account. Since rules don't have an option to "Check only the last Received: line", they'll match if ANY "Received:" line matches the signature you set, which can be hard to make totally unique when receiving the mail. Another alternative is to use a separate POP3 downloader/manager (such as Mercury mail? ;-)) which can download mail from multiple POP3 servers and add a header to indicate which POP3 account it came from. Then you can filter in PMail based on this header. Regards, C. M.

There used to be a Multi-POP extension in Pegasus, and this extension gave that feature.

MultiPOP
Earlier versions of Pegasus Mail were shipped with an extension (see chapter 15) called
MultiPOP, which allowed you to access any number of POP3 mailboxes from the same copy
of Pegasus Mail. Starting with Pegasus Mail v4.1, the functionality of MultiPOP has been
formallly built into the program, and the MultiPOP extension is no longer included. We
strongly recommend that  if you have older versions of MultiPOP on your system, you remove
them and no longer attempt to use them. At some point in the future, the facilities used by
MultiPOP will cease to be supported, and we recommend that you convert your MultiPOP
usage to the built-in capabilities instead..

 

Regards,

François

 

<p>There used to be a Multi-POP extension in Pegasus, and this extension gave that feature.</p><p>MultiPOP Earlier versions of Pegasus Mail were shipped with an extension (see chapter 15) called MultiPOP, which allowed you to access any number of POP3 mailboxes from the same copy of Pegasus Mail. Starting with Pegasus Mail v4.1, the functionality of MultiPOP has been formallly built into the program, and the MultiPOP extension is no longer included. We strongly recommend that  if you have older versions of MultiPOP on your system, you remove them and no longer attempt to use them. At some point in the future, the facilities used by MultiPOP will cease to be supported, and we recommend that you convert your MultiPOP usage to the built-in capabilities instead..</p><p> </p><p>Regards,</p><p>François</p><p> </p>

François,

Sorry but you're wrong, MultiPOP is still part of the WinPMail archive, it has also been translated to French.

Could you explain how this extension could give the asked feature?

 Merry XMas and happy New Year to you and your relatives
 

<p><i>François,</i></p><p>Sorry but you're wrong, MultiPOP is still part of the WinPMail archive, it has also been translated to French.</p><p>Could you explain how this extension could give the asked feature?</p><p> Merry XMas and happy New Year to you and your relatives  </p>

Bonjour Philippe.

The text in my reply was pasted directly from the Pegasus manual...

That said, if you start the extension, you'll see you can specify  the mailbox you want the mail put into. (the path to the mailbox)

Of course, you need to create this mailbox first in Pegasus.

The new mail will be downloaded in the New mail folder of the specified mailbox.

 

Great Holidays to you and yours!

Joyeux Noël!

 

<p>Bonjour Philippe.</p><p>The text in my reply was pasted directly from the Pegasus manual...</p><p>That said, if you start the extension, you'll see you can specify  the mailbox you want the mail put into. (the path to the mailbox)</p><p>Of course, you need to create this mailbox first in Pegasus.</p><p>The new mail will be downloaded in the New mail folder of the specified mailbox.</p><p> </p><p>Great Holidays to you and yours!</p><p>Joyeux Noël!</p><p> </p>

I'd thought of the multipop extension, too.. except I knew it's no longer needed (and may no longer even work), and I was not sure it could redirect to different new mail folders. However, if it's been done before, I wonder if that part of the multipop functionality can be made into a new extension..

I might consider writing such an extension (I would like to learn how to write PMail extensions anyhow), if there's enough interest--and if the developers can tell me if there will be any significant changes in v5 that would make it not worth the effort. So what say you, developers and users? (Unless there's a reason to post public, it's probably best to mail me a private message rather than flood this thread with a bunch of "do it" or "don't do it" posts ;-))

Happy Holidays,

C. M.

<p>I'd thought of the multipop extension, too.. except I knew it's no longer needed (and may no longer even work), and I was not sure it could redirect to different new mail folders. However, if it's been done before, I wonder if that part of the multipop functionality can be made into a new extension..</p> <p>I might consider writing such an extension (I would like to learn how to write PMail extensions anyhow), if there's enough interest--and if the developers can tell me if there will be any significant changes in v5 that would make it not worth the effort. So what say you, developers and users? (Unless there's a reason to post public, it's probably best to mail me a private message rather than flood this thread with a bunch of "do it" or "don't do it" posts ;-))</p> <p>Happy Holidays, C. M.</p>

[quote user="akfish"]I have 2 mailboxes and a separate identity for each. One is the default from pop3 sourceA and the second is from pop3 sourceB. The newest mailbox (not default) has a "New mail folder" file that I would like to use to download new mail as identityB. However, all my new mail goes into the original default new mailbox location. Is there any way to use this new "new mail folder"? Thank you.[/quote]

 

Actually there is an undocumented way to do this.  You can edit the POPxxxxxx.PNP with an ASCII editor and enter the complete path to the other new mail directory in the Mailbox: Here's an example.  This is not guaranteed to work but it's handy at times.  I'm not sure it will even stay fixed if you edit the POP3 definition normally but I'm pretty sure it does.
 

 

# Pegasus Mail POP3 definition, 17 Nov 2007, 7:48:15

Title : POP3 GMail
Type : POP3
Flags1 : 0
Flags2 : 0
Timeout : 30
Port : 995
Host : pop.gmail.com
Username : thomas.tstephenson@gmail.com
Password : SEED$31410:"xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Mailbox : z:\pmail\mail\gmail
Memfile : POPDQ202.PM3
Threshold : 0
SSLMode : 514
Max_Msgs : 0
Min_Interval : 0
Ruleset :
Top_lines : 0
Def_action : 0

<p>[quote user="akfish"]I have 2 mailboxes and a separate identity for each. One is the default from pop3 sourceA and the second is from pop3 sourceB. The newest mailbox (not default) has a "New mail folder" file that I would like to use to download new mail as identityB. However, all my new mail goes into the original default new mailbox location. Is there any way to use this new "new mail folder"? Thank you.[/quote]</p><p> </p><p>Actually there is an undocumented way to do this.  You can edit the POPxxxxxx.PNP with an ASCII editor and enter the complete path to the other new mail directory in the Mailbox: Here's an example.  This is not guaranteed to work but it's handy at times.  I'm not sure it will even stay fixed if you edit the POP3 definition normally but I'm pretty sure it does.  </p><p> </p><p># Pegasus Mail POP3 definition, 17 Nov 2007, 7:48:15 Title : POP3 GMail Type : POP3 Flags1 : 0 Flags2 : 0 Timeout : 30 Port : 995 Host : pop.gmail.com Username : thomas.tstephenson@gmail.com Password : SEED$31410:"xxxxxxxxxxxxx" Mailbox : z:\pmail\mail\gmail Memfile : POPDQ202.PM3 Threshold : 0 SSLMode : 514 Max_Msgs : 0 Min_Interval : 0 Ruleset : Top_lines : 0 Def_action : 0 </p>

[quote user="Thomas R. Stephenson"]Actually there is an undocumented way to do this.  You can edit the POPxxxxxx.PNP with an ASCII editor and enter the complete path to the other new mail directory in the Mailbox:[/quote]

Excellent.. I just tried it. PMail popped up a warning about a possible misconfiguration, but it's OK to ignore it. Of course, you won't be able to SEE the mail in the new mailbox until you add it to PMail..

For the average/non-techie user.. You have to create a new folder on your hard disk (not a PMail folder, but a real hard disk folder), then set this folder as the inbox for the profile/identity/pop3 account (shut down PMail before editing the *.PND file!) Once this is done, start up PMail and then "connect" to the new mailbox (by clicking "Folders" -> "Add Mailbox to list...", entering the folders hard disk pathname, and setting whatever PMail folder name you want. Then it'll create a new "mailbox" just for this POP3 profile that can have it's own new mail, own folder sets, etc.

Thank you, Mr Stephenson for the tip! (And I hope the PMail developers see this and won't change how that works--or better yet, make it an option for the v5 release! ;-))

Merry Christmas,

C. M.

<p>[quote user="Thomas R. Stephenson"]Actually there is an undocumented way to do this.  You can edit the POPxxxxxx.PNP with an ASCII editor and enter the complete path to the other new mail directory in the Mailbox:[/quote] Excellent.. I just tried it. PMail popped up a warning about a possible misconfiguration, but it's OK to ignore it. Of course, you won't be able to SEE the mail in the new mailbox until you add it to PMail..</p> <p>For the average/non-techie user.. You have to create a new folder on your hard disk (not a PMail folder, but a real hard disk folder), then set this folder as the inbox for the profile/identity/pop3 account (shut down PMail before editing the *.PND file!) Once this is done, start up PMail and then "connect" to the new mailbox (by clicking "Folders" -> "Add Mailbox to list...", entering the folders hard disk pathname, and setting whatever PMail folder name you want. Then it'll create a new "mailbox" just for this POP3 profile that can have it's own new mail, own folder sets, etc.</p> <p>Thank you, Mr Stephenson for the tip! (And I hope the PMail developers see this and won't change how that works--or better yet, make it an option for the v5 release! ;-))</p> <p>Merry Christmas, C. M.</p>
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