> That won't do much good.  *I* am the moderator of the groups.
>
>  Do you think that the individual moderator has enough power
> on either google or yahoo to turn off DKIM?  I don't.

It's not a problem with DKIM, I get mail from 6 Yahoo groups with this junk in the headers and I've no problems with the headers breaking.

>
> I know that David thinks that DKIM is close to evil incarnate
> (or, at the least, something to ignore until it becomes more
> of a standard), so I don't think it likely he is going to be
> excited about problems caused by DKIM implementations, flawed
> or otherwise.

It's not evil as long as it does not break the headers and it does not seem to with my system at least.

DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com;
 b=qfjcUKrWYhUmzGiXQlBJqo9UlVwM57NDSzKPdgD2ftO6KEHnWX26dPt2bh8Mq5jTfRcrirsgoLMGfUddjA+L4PiVIBZhhHGZY6qz8GYn1SBjW9+tsIEZ3Fxos/X+WWio;

>
> If I ever get time to interrogate my Mercury server to see
> what it is doing with these things, I'll let you know.  Until
> then, thank goodness that the properties window for each new
> mail message has the name of the CNM file.  Who would ever
> have thought that NOTEPAD++ would be the perfect complement
> to one's email program?

Again the question as to what is in front of the server if anything?  Are you running any policies?  Any anti-virus software?  If so turn them all off and see what happens.

If nothing else I would upgrade to the latest version of Mercury/32 though.  The v4.52 has a lot of changes to the front end that are not in v4.01b.



>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>  
>

This has been happening for a while (at least a few months), but I haven't had a really rough time because of it until recently (received a flurry of messages that made this issue quite unbearable).  Basically, it appears that the headers are so complicated that Pegasus gives up the ghost and just slaps "Unknown" in the From and "(None)" in the subject of the message reader.  The date also comes through empty at times and, finally and probably most importantly, a good portion of the header finds its way into the beginning of the message itself, making it very difficult to even figure out what the email is about - because one must literally page down 3 times or more before the real message begins to show up.

 My suspicion is that the headers are just too long and there is nothing that can be done.

But there is a small portion of an optimist left in me that hopes this is something others have seen and that a quick configuration change of some sort will allow Pegasus to reliably establish the From/Subject/Message Body portions of the email.

I have tried upping the "Lines to process" when looking for attachments.  This doesn't really do anything (and I didn't expect it to).

I wish it were 100% consistent, but it isn't.  Yahoo! is much better than Google in this regard as the number of messages which appear in this fashion from Yahoo! is 1/10th the frequency of those that come from Google.

Here is an example .cnm file (I've changed the identifying information of the people and computers and group, etc).  Perhaps somebody can spot something. This one is from Google.  [Note: for some reason, after saving the offending message to a textfile, if I put the copy back into my pmail\mail\username directory, it will show up in the new mail listing, but the From will invariably be the extension (.cnm) rather than Unknown.  No idea why.

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Obviously, Art has a pre-historic auto-responder that does not
register previously received email addresses and suppress additional
notices to same.  Since the Google list-serve is set to send out a
message to Art each time a message is received (including when a
message is sent FROM Art) we are quite lucky that google
automagically figured out that Art's messages were being sent by an
auto-responder and cut off Art's access to the list serve by itself. 
Yes, it took about 30 of the messages before google figured it out,
but that is a whole lot better than getting, say, 10,000 messages
each (which is something that I forced upon Jane once a few months
ago when our website was misconfigured, but I digress).

I don't know when Google will relent and allow Art to gain access
again.  I know I couldn't override the status (not that I really
wanted to all that much).  So I suppose Art will just have to ask for
redemption in his prayers and hope that Google hears them.

Until then, I have set Art's account such that even if Google
relents, he will no longer have automatic posting rights.  Instead,
his messages will go into a queue and be sent to the rest of us only
after being approved by a moderator (I think that the moderators are
me and Jane).  I don't know whether the messages that are queued for
moderation are sent to the moderators automatically or not.  I
suppose Jane and I will find out.

Art, I have NOT eliminated your ability to access the group online. 
Hence, if you want to post a message directly and immediately, I
believe you CAN do so by going to groups.google.com, signing in and
using the web-based system for sending a message.  I didn't change
the system's settings as far as your RECEIPT of messages, either. 
Hence, if Google merely kills your ability to post, you should still
get them.  On the other hand, if Google eliminates your ability to
receive as well as your ability to send once it determines that an
auto-responder is in place, it may have cut you off from receiving
messages.  If so, you will be forced into reading messages by going
to the website.

john




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Hello,

     Your message is severely broken.   The first blank line signals the end of headers. Everything after that is body data.  So everything after the DKIM line is Body.   So somewhere between source and your server several blank lines were inserted, as seen in your example. I suggest you repeat your editor test and remove all the blank lines before the line starting "Obviously....."  Insert a blank line before this sentence. Save to a file such as abc.cnm in the Pegasus Mail NewMail directory  Your message should appear normally?  I did this and a normal message appeared.

Martin
 

[quote user="MikePreston"]

I wish it were 100% consistent, but it isn't.  Yahoo! is much better than Google in this regard as the number of messages which appear in this fashion from Yahoo! is 1/10th the frequency of those that come from Google.

Here is an example .cnm file (I've changed the identifying information of the people and computers and group, etc).  Perhaps somebody can spot something. This one is from Google.  [Note: for some reason, after saving the offending message to a textfile, if I put the copy back into my pmail\mail\username directory, it will show up in the new mail listing, but the From will invariably be the extension (.cnm) rather than Unknown.  No idea why.

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Two things here.  

1.    There is something between you and Google that is trashing the headers, I'm not sure what but it's causing a blank line to be inserted into the headers.  If you are using any sort of anti-spam gateway in front of Mercury/32 then that could cause it.

2.    The current version of Mercury/32 is v4.52 and the first thing I would do is try upgrading that v4.01b setup.

FWIW, I've signed up for a Google group and I've seen no problems at all with the mail I receive.

I know it has been a long time since this thread was active, but I finally got some time to look into this a bit.  I'm trying to avoid tinkering with my Mercury set up because it has been working splendidly for years and you know the expression: if it isn't broken, don't fix it.  I'm not convinced it is Mercury's problem, yet, although I agree it is looking like it might be.

In any event, I examined a few .WPM files the other day and I noticed that the "problem" is related to a header which is longer than 255 characters.  It appears that when that happens, the header is broken down into THREE pieces, the first 255 characters, a line separator and the balance of the header line.  Something like this:

16:59:02.875 >> 0255       <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/.......blah, req\0D\0A
16:59:02.875 >> 0002 \0D\0A
16:59:02.875 >> 0013 uired) <br>\0D\0A
 

Pmail sees the line with 2 character length (0D\0A) as an "end of header" line and inserts its own information directly thereafter in the resulting CNM file, something like:

<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/.......blah, req

X-PMFLAGS: 33570944 0 65537 PDFSJ39P.CNM 

uired) 

So I guess I'm asking whether this is a problem with Mercury or Pegasus.  I can recreate the email by processing the WPM file myself and cleaning up the lines, but that seems like a lot of effort.  Is there a better way?

I've noticed that others are experiencing issues with subject and from and body showing up as ??? and that is exactly what happens on my system.  Could it all be related to header lines in excess of 255 characters that are not being properly parsed somewhere along the line?

 Thanks

 Mike

 

Yes, there is something happening along the way to add the blank line that marks the end of the headers in a RFC 2822 message body.  Now the question is where does this happen.  I get mail from Yahoo groups all the time and do not have this problem.  Now I deliver the mail to the Mercury/32 new mail directory and no POP3 is involved except when MercuryD downloads these fromthe gateway Mercury/32 server to the Mercury/32 running on Linux..  Have you looked at these messages when received by Mercury/32?

Taking a look at the message stream it appears that the DKIM signature lines are broken.   By that I mean that they inject one or more blank lines,  Blank lines in email signals end of header section of the message so everything after the line with "s=beta;" is treated as body content.  This body now contains the Subject, Date, From, To lines etc, so they cannot be found by a mail client.

I suggest you report the problem to the moderator of the group.

Martin 

That won't do much good.  *I* am the moderator of the groups.

 Do you think that the individual moderator has enough power on either google or yahoo to turn off DKIM?  I don't.

I know that David thinks that DKIM is close to evil incarnate (or, at the least, something to ignore until it becomes more of a standard), so I don't think it likely he is going to be excited about problems caused by DKIM implementations, flawed or otherwise.

If I ever get time to interrogate my Mercury server to see what it is doing with these things, I'll let you know.  Until then, thank goodness that the properties window for each new mail message has the name of the CNM file.  Who would ever have thought that NOTEPAD++ would be the perfect complement to one's email program?

Thanks

Mike