[quote user="sbe1"]

Hi,

This is from the Windows Live Hotmail website's help pages. It's instructions for Outlook, but it should work for Pmail. Note that the pop3 port is 995, smtp port is 25 but BOTH ports still need ssl enabled. I haven't tested this myself (don't have an Hotmail account), but it should work.

1. In Outlook Express, click the Tools menu, and then click Accounts.
2. Click Add, and then click Mail.
3. Type your name, and then click Next.
4. Type your full Windows Live Hotmail e-mail address, and then click Next.
5. Enter the following information, and then click Next:
   • In the My incoming mail server is a box, click POP3.
   • In the Incoming mail (POP3, IMAP, or HTTP) server box, type pop3.live.com.
   • In the Outgoing mail (SMTP) server box, type smtp.live.com

6. Type the account name and the password for your Windows Live Hotmail account. Clear the Remember password check box unless you're the only person with access to the computer. Make sure that the Log on using Secure Password Authentication (SPA) check box isn't selected.
7. Click Next, and then click Finish.
8. In the Internet Accounts window, click the Mail tab, click the Windows Live Hotmail account that you added, and then click Properties.
9. Click the Advanced tab, and under Server Port Numbers, enter the following information, and then click OK:
   • In the Incoming mail (POP3) box, type 995.
   • In the Outgoing mail (SMTP) box, type 25.
   • Under both Outgoing mail (SMTP) and Incoming mail (POP3), select the This server requires a secure connection (SSL) check box.

[/quote]

Excellent.  Thanks for the info. It does work with pop3.live.com as the server name and the port set to 995,  but it is necessary to disable certificate validation (security tab) as well as setting SSL. 

Thanks, again for the help.

Hotmail now supports POP from email clients -- at least from MS clients.  At least one other person and I can't get it to work with Pegasus.  Can anyone figure out how to do it?

 Here are two messages first posted to comp.mail.pegasus-mail.ms-windows (it was suggested in a response that the thread be moved here to the forum).

 --------------------------------

On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:37:44 -0800, NormanM
<spammers.are@immoral.invalid> wrote:

>As of today, Windows Live Hotmail allows free Hotmail account access via
>SMTP. The server information is:
>
>smtp.live.com:587
>
>The MS clients (Outlook (prior to 2007), Outlook Express, Windows Mail, and
>Windows Live Mail) reportedly work by setting the client to use SSL. I have
>tested this with MS Outlook Express 6, and it works. MS Outlook 2007
>reportedly works using TLS. I have not tested this, because I don't have a
>copy of MS Outlook 2007.
>
>Mozilla Thunderbird 2.0.0.19, and SeaMonkey 1.1.14 both also work, using
>TLS.
>
>However, setting 'smtp.live.com:587' with STARTTLS in Pegasus Mail results
>in an error:
>
>| [*] Connection established to 65.55.172.254
>| >> 0130 220 BLU0-SMTP14.blu0.hotmail.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service, Version: 6.0.3790.2668 ready at  Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:37:17 -0800
>| << 0023 EHLO [192.168.102.34]
>| >> 0056 250-BLU0-SMTP14.blu0.hotmail.com Hello [68.127.105.99]
>| >> 0010 250-TURN
>| >> 0019 250-SIZE 35840000
>| >> 0010 250-ETRN
>| >> 0016 250-PIPELINING
>| >> 0009 250-DSN
>| >> 0025 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
>| >> 0014 250-8bitmime
>| >> 0016 250-BINARYMIME
>| >> 0014 250-CHUNKING
>| >> 0010 250-VRFY
>| >> 0009 250-TLS
>| >> 0014 250-STARTTLS
>| >> 0008 250 OK
>| << 0010 STARTTLS
>| >> 0029 220 2.0.0 SMTP server ready
>| 22: Error -32 activating SSL session (locus 6014, type 4, code 0, 'Server provided a broken/invalid certificate, try again with a reduced level of certificate complian')
>
>The error suggests that I can reduce the level of certificate compliance.
>Where would I go about doing this?

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I get something a bit different, but it still doesn't work.  I'm using
4.51 pb1.

[*] Connection established to 65.55.172.254
>> 0130 220 BLU0-SMTP41.blu0.hotmail.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service, Version: 6.0.3790.2668 ready at  Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:53:28 -0800
<< 0006 STLS
>> 0047 530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first
<< 0026 USER jss1941@hotmail.com
>> 0047 530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first
<< 0013 PASS XXXXXX
>> 0047 530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first
<< 0006 STAT
>> 0047 530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first
<< 0006 LIST
>> 0047 530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first

I have set the port to 587, and set Pmail tgo use STARTTLS on the
Security tab.  Don't know what else to do.  Trying to use SSL directly
results in an immediate refusal of ther connection by the hotmail
server.

Has anyone been able to get this to work?
============================================

Hotmail now supports POP from email clients -- at least from MS

clients.  At least one other person and I can't get it to work with

Pegasus.  Can anyone figure out how to do it?

I would try unchecking the fingerprint tracking and certificate verification in the "Security" tap of the POP3 setup.  Probably need to do the same thing for SMTP as well.  From the help:

Suppressing certificate verification

When Pegasus Mail connects to an SSL-enabled server and negotiates a secure connection with it, the server is required to pass Pegasus Mail a piece of data called a certificate (see above for more details about certificates): the certificate is intended to prove that the server is who it claims to be. Unfortunately, in the course of its development, the SSL mechanism has spawned many offshoots and variations, and this has resulted in a very real unevenness in the way certificates are prepared and represented. Pegasus Mail is normally quite strict about ensuring that the certificate passed to it by the server is in a valid form, but sometimes you're going to run into servers that will offer you invalid certificates: one of the annoying (and really quite worrying) things about the Internet is that many other packages will simply ignore certificate problems and hence will appear to "work" with the server, even though their security has been compromised - the rationale is that ease of use is more important than security, which we feel is a dangerous attitude.

If you encounter an SSL-enabled server to which you cannot connect using Pegasus Mail, the most likely reason is a problem with its certificate. When this happens, you can tell Pegasus Mail not to verify the contents of the certificate it is passed by the server, by checking the control labelled Disable certificate validation. In many cases, this will allow you to connect to the server, but it carries considerable risk. We strongly recommend that you do not use this option until you have exhausted all other possibilities. Your first point of contact should be the administrator of the server with the invalid certificate: he is doing neither himself nor his users any favours by installing a broken certificate on his server - even if other programs accept it in its broken form, it is clearly better that the certificate be correct, since this ensures that security is properly-preserved.

When this option is enabled, Pegasus Mail can no longer perform certificate fingerprint tracking (see above for more details), so the security of your connection is considerably reduced. Once again, we recommend that you put pressure on the system administrator to fix the problem rather than to use this workaround.

FWIW, trying to get Microsoft to do anything IAW the spec requirements is next to impossible.  You might also want to try MR Postman with Hotmail.

MrPostman is a java program that allows you to access Yahoo Mail, Hotmail and other webmail services directly from your favorite mail client. 

It converts the web pages of your favorite webmail provider to e-mails and provides the standard POP interface to your mail client (e.g. Outlook Express, Netscape or Mozilla Mail,
Thunderbird, Pegasus Mail). 

MrPostman is Free Software, released under the terms of the GNU Public License.

Currently supported webmail providers:

    * Hotmail
    * mail.com
    * Yahoo
    * gmail (Google mail)
    * indiatimes.com
    * juno
    * rediffmail
    * Gossamer mail
    * Outlook Web Access (Exchange 5.5)
    * Outlook Web Access 2003

http://mrpostman.sourceforge.net/


 

Thomas

    The MrPostman url is now: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mrpostman/

Martin

The MrPostman url is now: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mrpostman/

Thanks, glossary updated.

[quote user="Thomas R. Stephenson"]

Hotmail now supports POP from email clients -- at least from MSclients.  At least one other person and I can't get it to work withPegasus.  Can anyone figure out how to do it?

I would try unchecking the fingerprint tracking and certificate verification in the "Security" tap of the POP3 setup.  Probably need to do the same thing for SMTP as well.  From the help:

[/quote]

I tried that, but it made no difference. 

[quote user="jss1941"][quote user="Thomas R. Stephenson"]

Hotmail now supports POP from email clients -- at least from MSclients.  At least one other person and I can't get it to work withPegasus.  Can anyone figure out how to do it?

I would try unchecking the fingerprint tracking and certificate verification in the "Security" tap of the POP3 setup.  Probably need to do the same thing for SMTP as well.  From the help:[/quote]

I tried that, but it made no difference. 

Then as expected MicroSoft does not support the protocol.

[/quote]

Hi,

This is from the Windows Live Hotmail website's help pages. It's instructions for Outlook, but it should work for Pmail. Note that the pop3 port is 995, smtp port is 25 but BOTH ports still need ssl enabled. I haven't tested this myself (don't have an Hotmail account), but it should work.

1. In Outlook Express, click the Tools menu, and then click Accounts.
2. Click Add, and then click Mail.
3. Type your name, and then click Next.
4. Type your full Windows Live Hotmail e-mail address, and then click Next.
5. Enter the following information, and then click Next:
   • In the My incoming mail server is a box, click POP3.
   • In the Incoming mail (POP3, IMAP, or HTTP) server box, type pop3.live.com.
   • In the Outgoing mail (SMTP) server box, type smtp.live.com

6. Type the account name and the password for your Windows Live Hotmail account. Clear the Remember password check box unless you're the only person with access to the computer. Make sure that the Log on using Secure Password Authentication (SPA) check box isn't selected.
7. Click Next, and then click Finish.
8. In the Internet Accounts window, click the Mail tab, click the Windows Live Hotmail account that you added, and then click Properties.
9. Click the Advanced tab, and under Server Port Numbers, enter the following information, and then click OK:
   • In the Incoming mail (POP3) box, type 995.
   • In the Outgoing mail (SMTP) box, type 25.
   • Under both Outgoing mail (SMTP) and Incoming mail (POP3), select the This server requires a secure connection (SSL) check box.