[quote user="arnaudherve"] Seeing that I am regularly invited to leave[/quote]

You have never stopped to wonder why, have you?

[quote user="arnaudherve"] I guess with all that it would not be reasonable for me to stay.[/quote]

Are you merely threatening to stay away or is this a solemn and legally binding (spot the sarcasm) promise that you will not renege on? If you care to do (a large number of) us a favour, which I doubt, please go for the latter. And if you're going to get involved at the Thunderbird forum, I sincerely hope that you will present your suggestions in a somewhat friendlier, more respectful and less uncouth manner. It's not your suggestions that are annoying, it's the way you present them. I've seen you manage, step by step, to aggravate even the most patient of posters, beta team members and community members alike. Although quite an achievement in itself, it is hardly one I'd be proud of.

Steffan

The new 4.51 runs quite nicely - with one exception.

I encounter a major problems with certain html email as described in other threads before. The crashes are very frequent and with some efforts, reproducible. This is similar to what I encountered and described in the public beta (4.50 PB) before. It forced me to revert to 4.41 (which did not crash on those emails) at that time as I cannot ban receiving certain emails ... I know that Michael and Martin are working on an "experimental version of BearHtml" (which renders html email).

Which ever solution, I would like to suggest that this is serious bug which needs fixing before 5.x and that a fix should be produced and incorporated in a new version e.g. 4.51c rather then just as an "add on fix".

Thanks

Thomas

[quote user="tmstein"]The new 4.51 runs quite nicely - with one exception.

I encounter a major problems with certain html email as described in other threads before. The crashes are very frequent and with some efforts, reproducible. This is similar to what I encountered and described in the public beta (4.50 PB) before.
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Thomas, can you please send in another crash dump so I can find out whether it's actually the same issue as with the beta version or a new one?

I believe this is due to unsupported CSS V3 Style values. It cannot be fixed in the current Bearhtml versions. It can be avoided by ignoring CSS tags.

Martin

[quote user="irelam"]

I believe this is due to unsupported CSS V3 Style values. It cannot be fixed in the current Bearhtml versions. It can be avoided by ignoring CSS tags.

Martin

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 Thanks Martin, at least we are getting a bit closer to a solution now.
"It can be avoided by ignoring CSS tags" ... well [;)] I can't really influence the way emails I am receiving have been coded. However, I try to keep the number of crashed low by moving those messages out of my way ... till the new Bearhtml version arrives.

Looking into the raw message of those problem emails they indeed seem to use CSS. Which are the style values which create problems?

Cheers

Thomas

[quote user="tmstein"][quote user="irelam"]

I believe this is due to unsupported CSS V3 Style values. It cannot be fixed in the current Bearhtml versions. It can be avoided by ignoring CSS tags.

Martin

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 Thanks Martin, at least we are getting a bit closer to a solution now.
"It can be avoided by ignoring CSS tags" ... well [;)] I can't really influence the way emails I am receiving have been coded. However, I try to keep the number of crashed low by moving those messages out of my way ... till the new Bearhtml version arrives.

Looking into the raw message of those problem emails they indeed seem to use CSS. Which are the style values which create problems?
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Thomas, I think Martin simply suggests to set WantCss=No in BearHtml.ini. Maybe you can give it a try to find out whether it helps avoiding crashes. Here's a link to a CSS 3 info page.

I am sorry but CSS V3 is not supported in Htmlviewer. Other than outright ignoring CSS which the current solution provides, we would need to understand how CSS V3 interacts with CSS V1/V2. The current support map for CSS V3 is all over the map, and I expect that IE anf FF as well as Opera etc will all stage impementations at different times.

Not to beat this subject into shreds, but no human being writes CSS as part of an email message.  So I believe that invoking real browsers will be the way to go into the future from html links.

Finally just for your information the CSS tag that is causing the problems is Position: absolute  which places objects such as text and images in terms of x * y co-ordinates. Different screen and print page sizes make it almost impossible to derive a location for all these configurations. The author of Htmlview, gave up after 6 months trying to figure out this page layout problem.

Martin

Just to give an example, an eBay seller sent me a message today, giving me a proposal about a global price for a list of articles. He sent the message via eBay messaging, and it arrived in my Pmail box.

When I replied with quote, only a few unimportant administrative lines by eBay were quoted, and not the message from my seller. Which is obviously what I wanted to quote. I had to go to the eBay interface online to reply with quote properly.

I think being  able to use eBay messages seamlessly is a criteria for what a mail system ought to be in 2009.

And please don't tell me I must activate this and that. Or edit this and that file. It works by default or it doesn't work.

[quote user="arnaudherve"]

And please don't tell me I must activate this and that. Or edit this and that file. It works by default or it doesn't work.

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I really wonder why you don't just pick another mailer if you're getting annoyed by anything related to Pegasus Mail? Would seem like the simplest solution to me instead of bothering the rest of the world with your ever repeated same complaints about things others might regard as helpful (while I accept that bugs are bugs and need to be fixed sooner or later, but who can do anything about this except for David Harris and a few other people with regard to "external" modules) ...

If that is the kind of answer I can get from making a suggestion in the suggestions forum, consider it done.

[quote user="arnaudherve"]If that is the kind of answer I can get from making a suggestion in the suggestions forum, consider it done.
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Yes, this is the a serious suggestion for you - while I don't really see what your suggestion was in the previously quoted post (other than fixing bugs, which is simply self-evident).

The suggestion was being able to include eBay html in replies to eBay contacts.

 Now, on the positive side :

1) Seeing that Thunderbird can do that as I just moved the same account to Thunderbird

2) Seeing that Thunderbird developers don't refuse suggestions of such an obvious nature

3) Seeing that Thunderbird is updated frequently

4) Seeing that Thunderbird possesses other add-ons that I desire

And, on the negative side :

1) Seeing that I am regularly invited to leave

2) Not understanding the jurisdiction of Beta Testers over who should leave or stay

3) My numerous suggestions not being considered anyway

I guess with all that it would not be reasonable for me to stay.

[quote user="arnaudherve"]

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When I replied with quote, only a few unimportant administrative lines by eBay were quoted, and not the message from my seller. Which is obviously what I wanted to quote. I had to go to the eBay interface online to reply with quote properly.
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