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4.61 seems slow/buggy

[quote user="mollym"]Any suggestions? [/quote]

Once you can provide a duplicatable sequence of actions causing this we may be able to fix it, otherwise I have absolutely no idea. BTW: Can you provide a screenshot so I get an idea of what you encounter (I don't really understand the over the icons for ... part).

<p>[quote user="mollym"]Any suggestions? [/quote]</p><p>Once you can provide a duplicatable sequence of actions causing this we may be able to fix it, otherwise I have absolutely no idea. BTW: Can you provide a screenshot so I get an idea of what you encounter (I don't really understand the <em>over the icons for ...</em> part).</p>
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First, thanks for the update.  Pegasus mail is the best out there and all I use.  I think... with this version... the most annoying bug of all is FINALLY gone!  I'm referring to the age old bug where, when you are typing in the middle of a paragraph to edit and add more text, occasionally when it wraps to the next line, the cursor ends up jumping 2 places forward, putting you in the middle of a word that used to be after the cursor.  If you don't notice it right away, you end up with a split word every so often ahead of where you are typing.  Anyway, I thought I'd report some bugs here.  Two long standing (years) and two new.

(1) First, the new bug in 4.61.   In 4.61, the search function ends up cross-linking email text with search results.   This is repeatable every time for me.  I have many folders used by incoming filters.  Go to one of them and do a search on "current folder only".  It takes you to the results.  Now immediately click the "Delete" button above the results to delete the search results folder that was just created (as you would if that first message had the info you needed).  Go back to the folder that you were on when you did the initial search and scroll to the bottom and click on the last message.  EVERY message contains the text from the first search result (that you just deleted).  Sometimes the correct (selected) message body will come up until you scroll the body, and THEN the cross-linked text from the old (now deleted) search results shows up.  I hope this is repeatable with that description.  The only way I've been able to restore normalcy is to completely exit Pmail and go back in.

(2) Second, the new renderer (I guess that's what's causing it) seems extremely slow.  I have the latest version of the IE Renderer as of yesterday.  The problem is, I get plenty of spam as I'm sure we all do.  If I make the mistake of clicking on one that has a bit of HTML, Pmail can hourglass me up to 30 seconds sometimes before displaying the message (this on a high end quad core machine).  Honestly, after it finally displays it, there might be one picture, one link, and a half dozen gray boxes just like the old 4.52 so I'm not sure what the benefit to that new IE Renderer is if it can't display messages any better than before and it's this slow, nor what it was doing all that time if that's all it displays.

(3) One long standing bug is that Pegasus mail still doesn't know how to handle proper focus when the program is minimized and then restored.  I shouldn't even have to say anything more: everyone knows what this one is.  Minimize it and then reactivate from the lower right, and it pops up behind other windows, forcing you to click it again on the task bar to activate it.

(4) Another long standing bug is that Pegasus mail can't handle folders with more than 65,535 messages.  To me, it's a "bug" because you don't get any warning, just a 10 minute wait and then when the messages finally appear, try to drag to the bottom and view one.  The mess only gets worse from there.  I have a couple archive folders that I like to use and a temporary spam folder that fills up pretty quickly.  If I forget to empty it about every 2 weeks or so, it'll go over 65535 and then I know the only way to get it to work again is to manually delete the folder and recreate it.

 If these things are corrected, Pmail would be perfect!

 Regards,

Mike

<p>First, thanks for the update.  Pegasus mail is the best out there and all I use.  I think... with this version... the most annoying bug of all is FINALLY gone!  I'm referring to the age old bug where, when you are typing in the middle of a paragraph to edit and add more text, occasionally when it wraps to the next line, the cursor ends up jumping 2 places forward, putting you in the middle of a word that used to be after the cursor.  If you don't notice it right away, you end up with a split word every so often <b>ahead</b> of where you are typing.  Anyway, I thought I'd report some bugs here.  Two long standing (years) and two new.</p><p>(1) First, the new bug in 4.61.   In 4.61, the search function ends up cross-linking email text with search results.   This is repeatable every time for me.  I have many folders used by incoming filters.  Go to one of them and do a search on "current folder only".  It takes you to the results.  Now immediately click the "Delete" button above the results to delete the search results folder that was just created (as you would if that first message had the info you needed).  Go back to the folder that you were on when you did the initial search and scroll to the bottom and click on the last message.  EVERY message contains the text from the first search result (that you just deleted).  Sometimes the correct (selected) message body will come up until you scroll the body, and THEN the cross-linked text from the old (now deleted) search results shows up.  I hope this is repeatable with that description.  The only way I've been able to restore normalcy is to completely exit Pmail and go back in. </p><p>(2) Second, the new renderer (I guess that's what's causing it) seems extremely slow.  I have the latest version of the IE Renderer as of yesterday.  The problem is, I get plenty of spam as I'm sure we all do.  If I make the mistake of clicking on one that has a bit of HTML, Pmail can hourglass me up to 30 seconds sometimes before displaying the message (this on a high end quad core machine).  Honestly, after it finally displays it, there might be one picture, one link, and a half dozen gray boxes just like the old 4.52 so I'm not sure what the benefit to that new IE Renderer is if it can't display messages any better than before and it's this slow, nor what it was doing all that time if that's all it displays. </p><p>(3) One long standing bug is that Pegasus mail still doesn't know how to handle proper focus when the program is minimized and then restored.  I shouldn't even have to say anything more: everyone knows what this one is.  Minimize it and then reactivate from the lower right, and it pops up behind other windows, forcing you to click it again on the task bar to activate it.</p><p>(4) Another long standing bug is that Pegasus mail can't handle folders with more than 65,535 messages.  To me, it's a "bug" because you don't get any warning, just a 10 minute wait and then when the messages finally appear, try to drag to the bottom and view one.  The mess only gets worse from there.  I have a couple archive folders that I like to use and a temporary spam folder that fills up pretty quickly.  If I forget to empty it about every 2 weeks or so, it'll go over 65535 and then I know the only way to get it to work again is to manually delete the folder and recreate it. </p><p> If these things are corrected, Pmail would be perfect!</p><p> Regards,</p><p>Mike </p>

[quote user="mchaney"](1) First, the new bug in 4.61.   In 4.61, the search function ends up cross-linking email text with search results.   This is repeatable every time for me.[/quote]

Not repeatable here, and you may be able to restore the proper view (I assume you're talking about the preview) by just closing and reopening the preview (three-pane) window.

[quote user="mchaney"](2) Second, the new renderer (I guess that's what's causing it) seems extremely slow.[/quote]

If you don't need it just turn it off via its button menu. It should only be slow the very first time opening a HTML message, but not for 30 seconds. It really depends on the kind of message you open and whether you're downloading remote images or not. Make sure Tools => Options => Advanced settings => Load Windows Internet Services ... is set to Always (restart Pegasus Mail after changing it).

<p>[quote user="mchaney"](1) First, the new bug in 4.61.   In 4.61, the search function ends up cross-linking email text with search results.   This is repeatable every time for me.[/quote]</p><p>Not repeatable here, and you may be able to restore the proper view (I assume you're talking about the preview) by just closing and reopening the preview (three-pane) window.</p><p>[quote user="mchaney"](2) Second, the new renderer (I guess that's what's causing it) seems extremely slow.[/quote]</p><p>If you don't need it just turn it off via its button menu. It should only be slow the very first time opening a HTML message, but not for 30 seconds. It really depends on the kind of message you open and whether you're downloading remote images or not. Make sure <em>Tools => Options => Advanced settings => Load Windows Internet Services ...</em> is set to <em>Always</em> (restart Pegasus Mail after changing it).</p>
			Michael
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[quote user="mchaney"]

(4) Another long standing bug is that Pegasus mail can't handle folders with more than 65,535 messages.  To me, it's a "bug" because you don't get any warning, just a 10 minute wait and then when the messages finally appear, try to drag to the bottom and view one.  The mess only gets worse from there.  I have a couple archive folders that I like to use and a temporary spam folder that fills up pretty quickly.  If I forget to empty it about every 2 weeks or so, it'll go over 65535 and then I know the only way to get it to work again is to manually delete the folder and recreate it.

[/quote]

Just for the record, this is not a bug because the program is working exactly as it should and how it is designed in ancient years.

It's a limitation though. It's caused by the maximum number of entries in the index file. (FFFF hex). The folder will continue to work without errors although you have to wait a very long time as the index is exceeded.

There is a new folder format under development that will deal with this issue (among others).

For now just split the folder as it might end up being larger then 2G as well, the current maximum under some older OS.

 

[quote user="mchaney"]<p>(4) Another long standing bug is that Pegasus mail can't handle folders with more than 65,535 messages.  To me, it's a "bug" because you don't get any warning, just a 10 minute wait and then when the messages finally appear, try to drag to the bottom and view one.  The mess only gets worse from there.  I have a couple archive folders that I like to use and a temporary spam folder that fills up pretty quickly.  If I forget to empty it about every 2 weeks or so, it'll go over 65535 and then I know the only way to get it to work again is to manually delete the folder and recreate it.</p><p>[/quote]</p><p>Just for the record, this is not a bug because the program is working exactly as it should and how it is designed in ancient years. </p><p>It's a limitation though. It's caused by the maximum number of entries in the index file. (FFFF hex). The folder will continue to work without errors although you have to wait a very long time as the index is exceeded.</p><p>There is a new folder format under development that will deal with this issue (among others).</p><p>For now just split the folder as it might end up being larger then 2G as well, the current maximum under some older OS.</p><p> </p>

-- Han van den Bogaerde - support@vandenbogaerde.net Member of Pegasus Mail Support Group. My own Pegasus Mail related web information: http://www.vandenbogaerde.net/pegasusmail/

I just updated from 4.52 to 4.61 today.   Have to say, sadly, things are not all well.

Windows 2000 Pro (I know)  P4 1.8G, 1.5G RAM, 1280x1024 true colour screen. An otherwise a slick machine, fully locked down behind security router and firewall's.

I also find it very slow to open a message using the IERenderer, so I've kicked that into touch.   I do wonder (with the well known problems that particular bit of windows has, in regards to vulnerabilities etc, especialy on older systems) if it's a good idea at all to use anything IE in a mail client for rendering HTML!  After all, that's why so many people are moving away from IE/Outlook.   Is there no way to use whatever the Mozilla people use for HTML rendering?   (Other than move to Thunderbird?)

Anyway, using the IERenderer, it can take anything up to a minute to open a message from the inbox, but a little quicker, from other folders, if near the top of the list.

If you go down the list a bit, it takes "an age" to open anything...

It also munges the subject line, when answering individual mails, in mail-digests (Yahoo group mail etc)   Also, the ability to navigate up/down the group digest by clicking on "back to top" etc, crashes the Renderer, needing to exit the message, and try again.

For me, that is a critical bug!    No such problems with the IERenderer disabled.

Also the errant "Focus" problem.  Yes, with me too, it always opens behind the current app, needing a right click on the toolbar button, or any visible part to get it to the front!  I sort of got used to that with the last couple of updates, so don't know exactly when that started.

I also find the "New" graphic's hard on the (aged) eyes, and a right

royal pain in the ar$$e if I'm using it remotely via VPN/VNC over a slow link, is there a

way to go back to the plain graphics, not the graded variations with low conrast buttons this

new version has? It's all getting a bit too "form over function" in my mind.  (one man's meat etc....)

I'll reserve judgement on it's stability, as 4.51 was a bit fragile, especially with HTML mail, often crashing, sometimes needing a manual tidy up of the main mail folder before Peg' would restart.   (It doesnt like .cnm files of zero bytes by the way!  Often a feature of a crash I found, if it went down while receiving from my ISP in the background as I was doing something with another received message.)

I've yet to see if secure mail (Gmail etc) works with this version.  4.51 screwed with some SSL library somewhere messing several app's up, that I never got to the bottom of.  GNUPG was still working, but had fallen into disuse, not through any fault of Peg' or it.

Hmmm...   Just tried signing a message to myself at work.  "Bad passphrase" (I copied-n-pasted from Locknote) but it still sends the mail.  I'd have thought you'd have got a choice to send or not under that situation?....

Anyway, I'll see how it goes, I've got way too many years invested in Pegasus Mail, getting on for 20 now...

Best Regards and thanks to the developers, I feel your pain, as I also do that job for work too, but (thankfully) not in C

.. Dave

<p>I just updated from 4.52 to 4.61 today.   Have to say, sadly, things are not all well.</p><p>Windows 2000 Pro (I know)  P4 1.8G, 1.5G RAM, 1280x1024 true colour screen. An otherwise a slick machine, fully locked down behind security router and firewall's. </p><p>I also find it very slow to open a message using the IERenderer, so I've kicked that into touch.   I do wonder (with the well known problems that particular bit of windows has, in regards to vulnerabilities etc, especialy on older systems) if it's a good idea at all to use anything IE in a mail client for rendering HTML!  After all, that's why so many people are moving away from IE/Outlook.   Is there no way to use whatever the Mozilla people use for HTML rendering?   (Other than move to Thunderbird?) </p><p>Anyway, using the IERenderer, it can take anything up to a minute to open a message from the inbox, but a little quicker, from other folders, if near the top of the list.</p><p>If you go down the list a bit, it takes "an age" to open anything...</p><p>It also munges the subject line, when answering individual mails, in mail-digests (Yahoo group mail etc)   Also, the ability to navigate up/down the group digest by clicking on "back to top" etc, crashes the Renderer, needing to exit the message, and try again.</p><p>For me, that is a critical bug!    No such problems with the IERenderer disabled. </p><p>Also the errant "Focus" problem.  Yes, with me too, it always opens behind the current app, needing a right click on the toolbar button, or any visible part to get it to the front!  I sort of got used to that with the last couple of updates, so don't know exactly when that started. </p><p>I also find the "New" graphic's hard on the (aged) eyes, and a right royal pain in the ar$$e if I'm using it remotely via VPN/VNC over a slow link, is there a way to go back to the plain graphics, not the graded variations with low conrast buttons this new version has? It's all getting a bit too "form over function" in my mind.  (one man's meat etc....) </p><p>I'll reserve judgement on it's stability, as 4.51 was a bit fragile, especially with HTML mail, often crashing, sometimes needing a manual tidy up of the main mail folder before Peg' would restart.   (It doesnt like .cnm files of zero bytes by the way!  Often a feature of a crash I found, if it went down while receiving from my ISP in the background as I was doing something with another received message.)</p><p>I've yet to see if secure mail (Gmail etc) works with this version.  4.51 screwed with some SSL library somewhere messing several app's up, that I never got to the bottom of.  GNUPG was still working, but had fallen into disuse, not through any fault of Peg' or it.</p><p>Hmmm...   Just tried signing a message to myself at work.  "Bad passphrase" (I copied-n-pasted from Locknote) but it still sends the mail.  I'd have thought you'd have got a choice to send or not under that situation?....</p><p>Anyway, I'll see how it goes, I've got way too many years invested in Pegasus Mail, getting on for 20 now...</p><p>Best Regards and thanks to the developers, I feel your pain, as I also do that job for work too, but (thankfully) not in C </p><p>.. Dave </p>

> I just updated from 4.52 to 4.61 today.   Have to say, sadly, things are not all well.

 

Did you:

1.  Set the Winsock to always in Tools | Options | Advanced.

2.  Update the IERenderer to the latest version.  This is especially needed if IE9 is installed.

3.  Tried turning off the IERenderer using the PMail icon on the toolbar?

 

 

 

<p>> I just updated from 4.52 to 4.61 today.   Have to say, sadly, things are not all well.</p><p> </p><p>Did you:</p><p>1.  Set the Winsock to always in Tools | Options | Advanced.</p><p>2.  Update the IERenderer to the latest version.  This is especially needed if IE9 is installed.</p><p>3.  Tried turning off the IERenderer using the PMail icon on the toolbar?</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p>

[quote user="Thomas R. Stephenson"]

>> I just updated from 4.52 to 4.61 today.   Have to say, sadly, things are not all well.

 

>Did you:

>1.  Set the Winsock to always in Tools | Options | Advanced.

     Why would that make any difference to "off-line" reading?

 

>2.  Update the IERenderer to the latest version.  This is especially needed if IE9 is installed.

     IE9?  Are you kidding, didn't you notice I said I'm still using Win2000.   IE6 is the last IE that will install on this system, and the only thing that gets used for these days, is working the remote email to the office when I need to, due to IT muppetry at that end.

 

> 3.  Tried turning off the IERenderer using the PMail icon on the toolbar?

     Please re-read my mail.  I did say I kicked it into touch, so yes.    Everything works much better without it.  But several issues remain.  The main one being Peg's inability to do the "Application Focus" thing correctly.

 

[/quote]
[quote user="Thomas R. Stephenson"]<p>>> I just updated from 4.52 to 4.61 today.   Have to say, sadly, things are not all well.</p><p> </p><p>>Did you:</p><p>>1.  Set the Winsock to always in Tools | Options | Advanced.</p><p>     Why would that make any difference to "off-line" reading?</p><p> </p><p>>2.  Update the IERenderer to the latest version.  This is especially needed if IE9 is installed.</p><p>     IE9?  Are you kidding, didn't you notice I said I'm still using Win2000.   IE6 is the last IE that will install on this system, and the only thing that gets used for these days, is working the remote email to the office when I need to, due to IT muppetry at that end.</p><p> </p><p>> 3.  Tried turning off the IERenderer using the PMail icon on the toolbar?</p><p>     Please re-read my mail.  I did say I kicked it into touch, so yes.    Everything works much better without it.  But several issues remain.  The main one being Peg's inability to do the "Application Focus" thing correctly. </p><p>  </p>[/quote]

> >1.  Set the Winsock to always in Tools | Options | Advanced.
      
> Why would that make any difference to "off-line" reading?

Because both BearHTML and IERenderer access the internet when reading HTML unless you have turned them off explicitly in the BearHTML.ini

>  
> >2.  Update the IERenderer to the latest version.  This is especially needed if IE9 is installed.
>
> IE9?  Are you kidding, didn't you notice I said I'm still using Win2000.   IE6 is the last IE that will install
> on this system, and the only thing that gets used for these days, is working the remote email to the
> office when I need to, due to IT muppetry at that end.

I saw that but others are also reading these answers.  Did you update the IERenderer though?

>  
> > 3.  Tried turning off the IERenderer using the PMail icon on the toolbar?
>
>      Please re-read my mail.  I did say I kicked it into touch, so yes.    Everything works much better without it.  
>       But several issues remain.  The main one being Peg's inability to do the "Application Focus" thing correctly.

But how did you "Kick it into the trash"  If you did not do a proper uninstall then this can still be things hanging around. 

In any case if you have some specific problem, give us the problem to work on rather than providing just general "it does not work" comments. 

<p>> >1.  Set the Winsock to always in Tools | Options | Advanced.        > Why would that make any difference to "off-line" reading? Because both BearHTML and IERenderer access the internet when reading HTML unless you have turned them off explicitly in the BearHTML.ini >   > >2.  Update the IERenderer to the latest version.  This is especially needed if IE9 is installed. > > IE9?  Are you kidding, didn't you notice I said I'm still using Win2000.   IE6 is the last IE that will install > on this system, and the only thing that gets used for these days, is working the remote email to the > office when I need to, due to IT muppetry at that end. I saw that but others are also reading these answers.  Did you update the IERenderer though? >   > > 3.  Tried turning off the IERenderer using the PMail icon on the toolbar? > >      Please re-read my mail.  I did say I kicked it into touch, so yes.    Everything works much better without it.   >       But several issues remain.  The main one being Peg's inability to do the "Application Focus" thing correctly. But how did you "Kick it into the trash"  If you did not do a proper uninstall then this can still be things hanging around.  </p><p>In any case if you have some specific problem, give us the problem to work on rather than providing just general "it does not work" comments.  </p>

[quote user="Thomas R. Stephenson"]

>> >1.  Set the Winsock to always in Tools | Options | Advanced.
      
>> Why would that make any difference to "off-line" reading?

>Because both BearHTML and IERenderer access the internet when reading HTML unless you have turned them off explicitly in the BearHTML.ini

Only if you right click and tell it to display html if parts are missing.   In any case, I'ts now set to always, but the IERenderer still is very slow to do anything.


>> 
>> >2.  Update the IERenderer to the latest version.  This is especially needed if IE9 is installed.
>>
>> IE9?  Are you kidding, didn't you notice I said I'm still using Win2000.   IE6 is the last IE that will install
>> on this system, and the only thing that gets used for these days, is working the remote email to the
>> office when I need to, due to IT muppetry at that end.

>I saw that but others are also reading these answers.  Did you update the IERenderer though?

How, not seen any doc's to say what and where from.


>>  
>> > 3.  Tried turning off the IERenderer using the PMail icon on the toolbar?
>>
>>      Please re-read my mail.  I did say I kicked it into touch, so yes.    Everything works much better without it.  
>>       But several issues remain.  The main one being Peg's inability to do the "Application Focus" thing correctly.

>But how did you "Kick it into the trash"  If you did not do a proper uninstall then this can still be things hanging around. 

So, unselecting it in the dialog you get after hitting the PegIERenderer button, doesnt "Disable" it then?  Poor programming, sorry.  As it was, I had to restart Peg' for the change to take effect.   Just found the download link in there.   Downloade, installed.  Big warning from MS about using old versions of IE (remember, IE6 here, or FireFox)  The problem navigating inside Yahoo mail digests remain.   Click on a link to a message IN the digest, such as any of the "back to the top" links, and it shows the usual IE

The page cannot be displayed

The page you are looking for is

currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical

difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings.

page...   Remember, this is entirely within a HTML Mail digest, such as Yahoo spits out.  (Yes, I know they have issues too, but...)

About as much use as a chocloate tea pot!

 

>In any case if you have some specific problem, give us the problem to work on rather than providing just general "it does not work" comments. 

OK, Other than the (in my mind misguided use of IE as a HTML renderer.)  As others have noticed.  The active window focus problem.   If you are doing something else, a mail arrives, you double click on the Peg' icon in the toolbar, and Peg comes up BEHIND what else is currently on screen, needing the op to right click on any visible part of Peg', or the taskbar button to get it to the front.   This has been a "Feature" for some versions now, running on both XP (SP3) and 2000(SP4) all uptodate as can be.

 

Regards.

 

Dave.

 

 

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[quote user="Thomas R. Stephenson"]<p>>> >1.  Set the Winsock to always in Tools | Options | Advanced.        >> Why would that make any difference to "off-line" reading? >Because both BearHTML and IERenderer access the internet when reading HTML unless you have turned them off explicitly in the BearHTML.ini </p><p>Only if you right click and tell it to display html if parts are missing.   In any case, I'ts now set to always, but the IERenderer still is very slow to do anything. </p><p> >>  >> >2.  Update the IERenderer to the latest version.  This is especially needed if IE9 is installed. >> >> IE9?  Are you kidding, didn't you notice I said I'm still using Win2000.   IE6 is the last IE that will install >> on this system, and the only thing that gets used for these days, is working the remote email to the >> office when I need to, due to IT muppetry at that end. >I saw that but others are also reading these answers.  Did you update the IERenderer though? </p><p>How, not seen any doc's to say what and where from.</p><p> >>   >> > 3.  Tried turning off the IERenderer using the PMail icon on the toolbar? >> >>      Please re-read my mail.  I did say I kicked it into touch, so yes.    Everything works much better without it.   >>       But several issues remain.  The main one being Peg's inability to do the "Application Focus" thing correctly. >But how did you "Kick it into the trash"  If you did not do a proper uninstall then this can still be things hanging around.  </p><p>So, unselecting it in the dialog you get after hitting the PegIERenderer button, doesnt "Disable" it then?  Poor programming, sorry.  As it was, I had to restart Peg' for the change to take effect.   Just found the download link in there.   Downloade, installed.  Big warning from MS about using old versions of IE (remember, IE6 here, or FireFox)  The problem navigating inside Yahoo mail digests remain.   Click on a link to a message IN the digest, such as any of the "back to the top" links, and it shows the usual IE </p><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="5" width="400"> <tbody> <tr> <td id="tableProps" align="left" valign="top"><img src="http://community.pmail.com/forums/pagerror.gif" id="pagerrorImg" height="33" width="25"></td> <td id="tableProps2" align="left" valign="center" width="360"> <h1 id="textSection1" style="font: 13pt/15pt verdana; color: black;"><span id="errorText">The page cannot be displayed</span></h1></td></tr> <tr> <td id="tablePropsWidth" colspan="2" width="400"><font style="font: 8pt/11pt verdana; color: black;">The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings.</font></td></tr></tbody></table><p>page...   Remember, this is entirely within a HTML Mail digest, such as Yahoo spits out.  (Yes, I know they have issues too, but...) </p><p>About as much use as a chocloate tea pot!</p><p> </p><p>>In any case if you have some specific problem, give us the problem to work on rather than providing just general "it does not work" comments.  </p><p>OK, Other than the (in my mind misguided use of IE as a HTML renderer.)  As others have noticed.  The active window focus problem.   If you are doing something else, a mail arrives, you double click on the Peg' icon in the toolbar, and Peg comes up BEHIND what else is currently on screen, needing the op to right click on any visible part of Peg', or the taskbar button to get it to the front.   This has been a "Feature" for some versions now, running on both XP (SP3) and 2000(SP4) all uptodate as can be.</p><p> </p><p>Regards.</p><p> </p><p>Dave.</p><p> </p><p> </p>[/quote]

[quote user="Dave4x4"]>> >1.  Set the Winsock to always in Tools | Options | Advanced.
      
>> Why would that make any difference to "off-line" reading?

>Because both BearHTML and IERenderer access the internet when reading HTML unless you have turned them off explicitly in the BearHTML.ini

Only if you right click and tell it to display html if parts are missing.   In any case, I'ts now set to always, but the IERenderer still is very slow to do anything.[/quote]

No, this is wrong: BearHtml, e.g., may do blacklist checks when hovering on a URL (if enabled in its INI-file), IERenderer only does this on clicking URLs, but I cannot tell whether it does some other background activity which I don't know of (might need to monitor network traffic one day). Anyway, Always is the new default setting for avoiding performance issues (high CPU load), and the background of this issue is the mess Microsoft created with their library instance handling.

[quote user="Dave4x4"]>> > 3.  Tried turning off the IERenderer using the PMail icon on the toolbar?
>>
>>      Please re-read my mail.  I did say I kicked it into touch, so yes.    Everything works much better without it.  
>>       But several issues remain.  The main one being Peg's inability to do the "Application Focus" thing correctly.

>But how did you "Kick it into the trash"  If you did not do a proper uninstall then this can still be things hanging around. 

So, unselecting it in the dialog you get after hitting the PegIERenderer button, doesnt "Disable" it then?  Poor programming, sorry.  As it was, I had to restart Peg' for the change to take effect.[/quote]

I bet you know: It works and it does without restarting since it simply forwards all further renderer requests to BearHtml after disabling. If you don't like it go to the Windows control panel and uninstall it, but stop ranting. And, BTW, here are my reasons for creating it.

[quote user="Dave4x4"]Big warning from MS about using old versions of IE[/quote]

It's my warning, not Microsoft's.

[quote user="Dave4x4"]The problem navigating inside Yahoo mail digests remain.   Click on a link to a message IN the digest, such as any of the "back to the top" links, and it shows the usual IE 

The page cannot be displayed[/quote]

Can you please forward such a message via the About dialog's contact link so I can look into this? The point is that IERenderer is not IE itself since I have to modify it's HTML rendering for safety reasons (such as preventing it from loading external web pages or downloading files).

[quote user="Dave4x4"]>> >1.  Set the Winsock to always in Tools | Options | Advanced.        >> Why would that make any difference to "off-line" reading? >Because both BearHTML and IERenderer access the internet when reading HTML unless you have turned them off explicitly in the BearHTML.ini <p>Only if you right click and tell it to display html if parts are missing.   In any case, I'ts now set to always, but the IERenderer still is very slow to do anything.[/quote]</p> <p>No, this is wrong: BearHtml, e.g., may do blacklist checks when hovering on a URL (if enabled in its INI-file), IERenderer only does this on clicking URLs, but I cannot tell whether it does some other background activity which I don't know of (might need to monitor network traffic one day). Anyway, <em>Always</em> is the new default setting for avoiding performance issues (high CPU load), and the background of this issue is the mess Microsoft created with their library instance handling.</p> <p>[quote user="Dave4x4"]>> > 3.  Tried turning off the IERenderer using the PMail icon on the toolbar? >> >>      Please re-read my mail.  I did say I kicked it into touch, so yes.    Everything works much better without it.   >>       But several issues remain.  The main one being Peg's inability to do the "Application Focus" thing correctly. >But how did you "Kick it into the trash"  If you did not do a proper uninstall then this can still be things hanging around.  </p> <p>So, unselecting it in the dialog you get after hitting the PegIERenderer button, doesnt "Disable" it then?  Poor programming, sorry.  As it was, I had to restart Peg' for the change to take effect.[/quote]</p> <p>I bet you know: It works and it does without restarting since it simply forwards all further renderer requests to BearHtml after disabling. If you don't like it go to the Windows control panel and uninstall it, but stop ranting. And, BTW, here are <a href="/forums/post/24146.aspx" mce_href="/forums/post/24146.aspx" target="_blank">my reasons</a> for creating it.</p> <p>[quote user="Dave4x4"]Big warning from MS about using old versions of IE[/quote]</p> <p>It's my warning, not Microsoft's.</p> <p>[quote user="Dave4x4"]The problem navigating inside Yahoo mail digests remain.   Click on a link to a message IN the digest, such as any of the "back to the top" links, and it shows the usual IE  </p> The page cannot be displayed[/quote] <p>Can you please forward such a message via the <em>About</em> dialog's contact link so I can look into this? The point is that IERenderer is not IE itself since I have to modify it's HTML rendering for safety reasons (such as preventing it from loading external web pages or downloading files).</p>
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[quote user="mchaney"]I think... with this version... the most annoying bug of all is FINALLY gone!  I'm referring to the age old bug where, when you are typing in the middle of a paragraph to edit and add more text, occasionally when it wraps to the next line, the cursor ends up jumping 2 places forward, putting you in the middle of a word that used to be after the cursor.  If you don't notice it right away, you end up with a split word every so often ahead of where you are typing.[/quote]

 

I spoke too soon it appears.  The above text insert bug still exists in 4.61 although it is MUCH less frequent.  I had it happen to me last week.  Symptoms are the same: click at the start of a word (click just before the "w" in "word" in this sentence for example) and start typing.  As you type, the rest of the sentence (or whole paragraph) is pushed forward as you go.  Ok so far.  On occasion though (much more rare now),  when word wrap brings your typing to the next line, the cursor jumps forward a character or two and you start to type in the middle of the word you were "pushing".  In my example here, "word" and all the rest of this paragraph would be advancing correctly until word wrap takes you to the next line and then you'd find yourself typing in the middle of "word" instead of it being pushed forward.  I've always wanted to post specifics but it is really hard to do because it seems to depend on both window size and when/where in the sentence words actually wrap.  So it's very difficult to repeat but if someone tells me what info I need to post (exact windows size as found in some INI file for example), I'd be glad to help further if/when it happens the next time.

 

Thanks,

Mike

<p>[quote user="mchaney"]I think... with this version... the most annoying bug of all is FINALLY gone!  I'm referring to the age old bug where, when you are typing in the middle of a paragraph to edit and add more text, occasionally when it wraps to the next line, the cursor ends up jumping 2 places forward, putting you in the middle of a word that used to be after the cursor.  If you don't notice it right away, you end up with a split word every so often <b>ahead</b> of where you are typing.[/quote]</p><p> </p><p>I spoke too soon it appears.  The above text insert bug still exists in 4.61 although it is MUCH less frequent.  I had it happen to me last week.  Symptoms are the same: click at the start of a word (click just before the "w" in "word" in this sentence for example) and start typing.  As you type, the rest of the sentence (or whole paragraph) is pushed forward as you go.  Ok so far.  On occasion though (much more rare now),  when word wrap brings your typing to the next line, the cursor jumps forward a character or two and you start to type in the middle of the word you were "pushing".  In my example here, "word" and all the rest of this paragraph would be advancing correctly until word wrap takes you to the next line and then you'd find yourself typing in the middle of "word" instead of it being pushed forward.  I've always wanted to post specifics but it is really hard to do because it seems to depend on both window size and when/where in the sentence words actually wrap.  So it's very difficult to repeat but if someone tells me what info I need to post (exact windows size as found in some INI file for example), I'd be glad to help further if/when it happens the next time.</p><p> </p><p>Thanks,</p><p>Mike </p>

idw: I have the same problem as Mike with Pegasus cross-linking fragments from search results to messages. This happens frequently -- it shows up on the 'attachments' window, for instance when I need to save an attachment to file and have previously made a search. And that's every day, because I get photos several times a day.

The fragment -- usually one line from a message found by the search-- appears in the window at its top, over the icons for  "sheets of paper," folders, attached graphics, documents, or other files. All material in the window is then inaccessible -- the crosslinked text can't be deleted, nor can (for instance) a photo be saved to a file.

Once the crosslinking appears, it affects all attachments panes and nothing will solve the problem but closing Pegasus and reopening it.

 The crosslink bug could be affecting other actions that I haven't happened to try after a search when it appears.

  OS: Win7Ultimate/64 bit

  Pegasus 4.61

  Your renderer update installed

 

Any suggestions?

 

TIA

 

molly

<p>idw: I have the same problem as Mike with Pegasus cross-linking fragments from search results to messages. This happens frequently -- it shows up on the 'attachments' window, for instance when I need to save an attachment to file and have previously made a search. And that's every day, because I get photos several times a day.</p><p>The fragment -- usually one line from a message found by the search-- appears in the window at its top, over the icons for  "sheets of paper," folders, attached graphics, documents, or other files. All material in the window is then inaccessible -- the crosslinked text can't be deleted, nor can (for instance) a photo be saved to a file. </p><p>Once the crosslinking appears, it affects all attachments panes and nothing will solve the problem but closing Pegasus and reopening it. </p><p> The crosslink bug could be affecting other actions that I haven't happened to try after a search when it appears. </p><p>  OS: Win7Ultimate/64 bit </p><p>  Pegasus 4.61</p><p>  Your renderer update installed</p><p> </p><p>Any suggestions? </p><p> </p><p>TIA</p><p> </p><p>molly </p>

Mike--

Have you ever run Mailwasher? I've been using it for years and find it not only the easiest way to separate the spam from the beef, but from the moment I installed it the spam in my mailbox became very much less ( No one admits to a reason for this) I have no filters in place in Mailwasher, don't need them in Pegasus because I've already scanned headers and deleted unwanted mail from my ISPs' mailboxes (that's how Mailwasher works -- sends you headers plus 200 lines of the message text).

 I consider Mailwasher and Pegasus the ideal combination for dealing with email. I run Mailwasher Pro 6.5., don't like the clutter and garishness of the newest version, and for the moment Pegasus 4.61. There is a free version of Mailwasher if you only have one email account.

 molly

<p>Mike--</p><p>Have you ever run Mailwasher? I've been using it for years and find it not only the easiest way to separate the spam from the beef, but from the moment I installed it the spam in my mailbox became very much less ( No one admits to a reason for this) I have no filters in place in Mailwasher, don't need them in Pegasus because I've already scanned headers and deleted unwanted mail from my ISPs' mailboxes (that's how Mailwasher works -- sends you headers plus 200 lines of the message text). </p><p> I consider Mailwasher and Pegasus the ideal combination for dealing with email. I run Mailwasher Pro 6.5., don't like the clutter and garishness of the newest version, and for the moment Pegasus 4.61. There is a free version of Mailwasher if you only have one email account.</p><p> molly </p>
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