I had expected (because apparently Thunderbird and the like can) that Pegasus also would be able to import OE DBX files [:(] Really surprised that it can't. Thanks anyway.
Hi All
Pegasus seems to be the email Holy Grail I've been hunting for since Mr Gates decided we OE folk must "upgrade" orsleves to Windows 7.
But ... there is little on here about Win 7. The info seems to stop at Vista. Could mean Windows 7 fits in seemlessly (or vice versa) then again ..... I assume I should I download Pegasus Mail v4.62 ..? So why are the older versions still available?
I found the thread about importing/converting DBX files to MBX format and I'm assuminh this converts the emails as well as the folder.structure. Am I right?
Best wishes and thanks in advance
Robin
p.s.
I can't understand the instructions at http://www.ukrebs-software.de/english/dbxconv/dbxconv.html (the link on the FAQ's is incorrect). Maybe translated from German? For instance: "Do not try to convert folders, which have the same extension (like "Folders.dbx"), it will not work." Same extension as what?!?
Hallo Robin ,
with Win7 you should minimum install PM461 ... if you want englisch, PM462 is your choice.
Some older versions may be available due to missing newer language-modules or changed OS-support (PM451 is last version supporting native Win98SE, PM312b last version for Win3x and there is even a DOS-version).
Never tried that DBX-converter ... but if I read that in german, it means, that DBX-Files for structurefolders won't be converted - only folders with mails in. So you should be aware, that it is'nt possible to import the MBX-structure - only the folders.
bye Olaf
[quote user="FJR"]
Never tried that DBX-converter ... but if I read that in german, it means, that DBX-Files for structurefolders won't be converted - only folders with mails in. So you should be aware, that it is'nt possible to import the MBX-structure - only the folders.
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Thanks Olaf!! Great answer :) .... and this is just the sort of thing I've been afraid of.
I think I HAVE TO use DBX to import my old OE emails :( - the address book isn't so important as I can find email addresses from the relevant folder.(?!?? Old Skule!!)
My folder structure is a key information element though. Without it the thousands of emails, "currently" sorted across projects, sectors and people in a nested structure, will be a hopeless mess.
Anyone any experience of importing from OE using DBX (or anything else)??
Hopefully ..... ://
Do I really need to hunt down an old XP machine for email now? :(
> Anyone any experience of importing from OE using DBX (or anything else)??
I've used Mercury as a IMAP4 server and moved mail from OE to the server and then used Pegasus Mail as a IMAP4 client to get the mail. Works pretty much for any IMAP4 client and you could use the GMail IMAP4 server to do this as well.
[quote user="Thomas R. Stephenson"]
I've used Mercury as a IMAP4 server and moved mail from OE to the server and then used Pegasus Mail as a IMAP4 client to get the mail. Works pretty much for any IMAP4 client and you could use the GMail IMAP4 server to do this as well.
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Hei Thomas, wow! That sounds like the answer ... now the only problem is I don't understand it! :D
I sort of get the intermediary step:
..... but, I am confused twofold [:-*]
I sort of understand that IMAP and POP are email "protocols" (?), and last time I contacted my host I found out I could use either with/on my site/domain/server but beyond that I know nothing. I have a GMail account too but that doesn't enable any file structure and seems completely unmanageable by an end user (like me?)
Then, I don't understand how I could upload my OE database/files/store "into" anything else,(especially into GMail) :( Are you saying it's possible to upload my OE store onto my server/domain without dates and folders getting scrambled and then download them into Pegasus in the normal way? Can I downlod email from GMail into my local email client (eg Pegasus)? (I've just been forwarding mail from there when they're to keep!)
My host is unbelievably helpful so I'm pretty certain they could hand-hold me or even do whatever's needed on "my" server/domain But I'd feel better if I understood a bit more what I'm trying to do.
Help! :D I feel that my wires may be crossed [8-)]
> Hei Thomas, wow! That sounds like the answer ... now the only problem is I don't understand it! :D
> I sort of get the intermediary step:
> use Mercury / GMail as IMAP4 server
> get the mail from there
> ..... but, I am confused twofold
>
> I sort of understand that IMAP and POP are email "protocols" (?), and last time I contacted my host I found out I could use either with/on
> my domain but beyond that I know nothing. I have a GMail account too but that doesn't enable any file structure and seems completely
> unmanageable by an end user (like me?)
The IMAP4 account is just used to transfer the mail from OE to another e-mail system. In this case you are going to create folders on the IMAP4 server and then move mail from the OE folders to the folders on the IMAP4 system. The structure of the folders depends on whether or not the receiving server/client can handle the folders you have.
1. Pegasus Mail and many other mail clients support folders in folders but do not support folders and mail in a folder.
2. IIRC OE does support folder and mail in folders as do a number of IMAP4 servers.
3. Mercury and a number of other IMAP4 hosts supports folders in folders like Pegasus Mail but they do not support folders and mail in folders.
> Then, I don't understand how I could upload my OE database/files/store "into" anything else,(especially into GMail) :(
> Are you sayuing it's possible to upload my OE store onto my server/domain without dates and folders getting scrambled and then
> download them into Pegasus in the normal way? Can I download email from GMail into my local email client (eg Pegasus Mail)? I've just been
> forwarding mail from there when they're to keep!
Yes, the dates on the mail is fixed in the mail message via the Date: line. You of course will have to do this by moving the messages into folders on the IMAP4 server, you can't just move folders to the host.
>
> My host is unbelievably helpful so I'm pretty certain they could hand-hold me or even do whatever's needed on "my" server/domain But I'd
> feel better if I understood a bit more what I'm trying to do. Help! :D I feel that my wires may be crossed
You are move all of the mail from OE to the IMAP4 server and then using another e-mail client like Pegasus Mail to either use this IMAP4 setup or download the mail to the local mail client. With Mercury and Pegasus Mail though this is a lot easier since both Pegasus Mail and Mercury/32 both use the same mailbox structure. Once OE gets the mail on the Mercury host Pegasus Mail can connect to the Mercury host directly to get the mail. Mercury can then also used to send and receive the mail for Pegasus Mail.
Thanks again very much Thomas :) I think I've got you, but two questions remain :( .... and sorry for my delay in replying,
[quote user="Thomas R. Stephenson"]
The IMAP4 account is just used to transfer the mail from OE to another e-mail system ... The structure of the folders depends on whether or not the receiving server/client can handle the folders you have.
1. Pegasus Mail and many other mail clients support folders in folders but do not support folders and mail in a folder.
2. IIRC OE does support folder and mail in folders as do a number of IMAP4 servers.
3. Mercury and a number of other IMAP4 hosts supports folders in folders like Pegasus Mail but they do not support folders and mail in folders.[/quote]
"Server" sometimes seems to refers to something "physical" (e.g. my domain is hosted on a "server", and is moved from time to time to other servers as my host updates/maintains their hardware). At other times though it seems to be a functionality, and if I understand correctly here, the IMAP4 server is a program/function on/of a physical device/server. So could Mercury either be installed on my "PC" or within my domain? If installing on my domain then as it isn't in Fantastico I'm not so sure how to do that.
[quote]you can't just move folders to the host.[/quote]
Using CoreFTP, I have uploaded folders together with their subfolders and files onto/into the company's server that hosts my domain. For instance I once FTP'd my hard drive (or the important stuff on it) to my domain as a back-up!
[quote]You are move all of the mail from OE to the IMAP4 server and then using another e-mail client like Pegasus Mail to either use this IMAP4 setup or download the mail to the local mail client. With Mercury and Pegasus Mail though this is a lot easier since both Pegasus Mail and Mercury/32 both use the same mailbox structure. [/quote]
The process as I understand it from you is:
Currently I have things like Squirrel Mail etc via CPanel that I am having to use. So the two issues I have are in items 1 and 2:-
I need to figure is how to "get hold of an IMAP4 server" (install how/where?), and what issues there are with uploading the clutch of .dbx files that are the OE email store. For instance "where" is the folder structure infrormation? Is it in one of the .dbx files?
Is Mercury the best option (smoothest/glitch free transfer), or are there IMAP4 servers that are better matched to the <folder+files within folders> structure that OE appeared (from a user view) to be supporting?
Sorry to be a bit slow on all this, and thanks again.
> "Server" sometimes seems to refers to something "physical" (e.g. my
> domain is hosted on a "server", and is moved from time to time to
> other servers as my host updates/maintains their hardware). At other
> times though it seems to be a functionality, and if I understand
> correctly here, the IMAP4 server is a program/function on/of a
> physical device/server. So could Mercury either be installed on my
> "PC" or within my domain? If installing on my domain then as it isn't
> in Fantastico I'm not so sure how to do that.
It is something physical, it a a mail system running the IMAP4 protocol allowing access to the mail store on the server. This means that you can use IMAP4 to connect to this host and process mail. With you OE setup you will be moving the mail from your local hard drive to mail folders that you create on the IMAP4 server.
>
> > you can't just move folders to the host.
>
> Using CoreFTP, I have uploaded folders together with their subfolders
> and files onto/into the company's server that hosts my domain. For
> instance I once FTP'd my hard drive (or the important stuff on it) to
> my domain as a back-up!
Sure, but in this case it was just a file transfer to a file server, you could not access these files using any sort of mail client.
>
> > You are move all of the mail from OE to the IMAP4 server and then
> > using another e-mail client like Pegasus Mail to either use this IMAP4
> > setup or download the mail to the local mail client. With Mercury and
> > Pegasus Mail though this is a lot easier since both Pegasus Mail and
> > Mercury/32 both use the same mailbox structure.
>
> The process as I understand it from you is:
>
> Get/Install an IMAP4 "server". e.g. Mercury
> Transfer my OE .dbx files into/onto an IMAP4 "server". e.g. Mercury
No, you will create IMAP4 folders on the Mercury server and transfer the mail using OE connected as a IMAP4 mail client. This has nothing at all to do with DBX folders other that that is what is used by OE to store the mail. You are not moving the mail folder, you are moving the mail contained in these mail folders to other folders in a different mail box structure on the IMAP4 host, in this case Mercury.
Again Mercury and Pegasus Mail cannot handle folders and mail in folders, it can do folders in folders though.
> Install Pegasus as local email client
> Hook up
> bingo
Correct, after you have moved the mail from OE local folders to Mercury/32 IMAP4 mail folder.
> Currently I have things like Squirrel Mail etc via CPanel that I am
> having to use.
Squirrel mail is using a connection to a IMAP4 host to get the mail. If all of your mail is already on an IMAP4 host you can connect directly to the IMAP4 host using Pegasus Mail to get the mail bypassing SquirrelMail.
> So the two issues I have are in items 1 and 2:-
>
> I need to figure is how to "get hold of an IMAP4 server" (install
> how/where?), and what issues there are with uploading the clutch of
> .dbx files that are the OE email store. For instance "where" is the
> folder structure information? Is it in one of the .dbx files?
It's in OE and that folder structure will be mirrored by the folder you manually create on the IMAP4 host.
>
> Is Mercury the best option (smoothest/glitch free transfer), or are
> there IMAP4 servers that are better matched to the <folder+files
> within folders> structure that OE appeared (from a user view) to be
> supporting?
No idea, I use both GMail, my ISP and Mercury IMAP4 servers to do this sort of transfer. All are different, none of these except Mercury uses a system where the mail client can connect both directly to the mail box and via IMAP4. The only reason this is possible is that David Harris uses the same mailbox structure for both Pegasus Mail and Mercury/32.
Thanks Thomas, but I use Squirrel ONLY because I no longer have OE to download into, hence this thread. My mail (my correspondence files) is sitting inaccessible on my HDDs on my desk in DBX files that I have no satisfactory way to access anymore.
The problems is that I need to reaccess my client and personal files. These contain thousands of emails, in nested folder structures whose folders contain emails as well as folders.
Although I find it unbelievable, and although it sounds like a bad horror story it sems my only option is to:
Tell me this is totally unnecessary!
Hopefully
Robin
> Although I find it unbelievable, and although it sounds like a bad horror story it sems my only option is to:
>
> Get a PC with XP
> Reinstall OE
> Access my correspondence files
> Make a detailed plan of the folder structure, and itemize all emails that sit in folders at a higher level than the lowest folder in any branch of the tree
> Find how to build a file/folder structure on my IMAP4 server
> Manually rebuild a copy of my correspondence filing system on my IMAP4 server
> When complete, redirect existing IMAP4 email stores into the new folder structure.
> Upload my OE email store, one folder at a time, into the new folder structure on the IMAP4 server, ensuring "stray" emails are placed in the relevant associated folders
> Install Pegasus on my Win7 PC
> Synch Pegasus with the new IMAP4 folder structure.
This is pretty much the case unless you can find something to provide a way to export your OE file structure directly to some other mail system files and this is highly unlikely. One thing though, in the process above you will not be moving folders to the IMAP4 system, this will be done transferring each message from OE folders to the folders on the IMAP4 host. You probably can select multiple messages to do the copy though.
