Hi !

Pegasus Mail is a wonderful piece of code, I am not going to say otherwise, and in its category it is the best. However, it is a shame that lots of potential users drive away from trying it just because the interface is not as user-friendly and welcoming than that of Thunderbird for instance. I remember the first time I "met" with Pegasus Mail. I was browsing and went on Wikipedia to see what alternatives were available instead of Foxmail, and then I found the page on Pegasus Mail, I liked the name, and saw that it was there from 1995, wow ! I said to myself that if it were still "breathing" after so many years, it must be of very solid quality, and decided to give it a try. Used to the Foxmail interface, I was a cold down by the interface of Pegasus Mail, and the feeling I add was that this program was for professionals, and certainly not for me. Well, I was dead wrong since it took me only a few minutes to "get in" when I tried it the second time. All this to say that one of the main critics that I read and also experienced to some extent is that the interface of Pegasus Mail does not really give you a warm welcome to try it. I think that if the interface was closer to what we have nowadays, like for instance Thunderbird or Foxmail, lots of users will make the switch because, among other things, they will feel not completely lost in "another world" and will still have some marks so that the transition can be made smoothly. However, I strongly defend that the interface of Pegasus Mail is excellent because it is efficient, simple and neat. Now how do we get along with these two apparently contradictory "features" ? Simple, just make Pegasus Mail skinable. This, I think, will have the following advantages : (1) It will make the community participate more actively and tightens the links it already has with the program since it can actually have an effect on it, (2) It will ease getting new users to try it and make a transition towards it, (3) It will not foil the current user database or die hard users ferociously attached to the current interface since no one can ever force a particular user not to use the default interface. On top of that, if Pegasus Mail could have an in-built email import tool, it would really makes it easier to switch from one client to it. Indeed, we could just say "Look, sure Foxmail looks better to you, but you can try Pegasus Mail in seconds thanks to our import tool which will import all your emails an structure inside our program, so that you can see that there is nothing better than Pegasus Mail". Of course, the import tool has to convert the imported format into Pegasus' one.

Cheers !

Ginhead. 

The final column is only blank if you don't expand the width of the other columns.

Martin 

Hi !

Once again, what I asked for was already there, my apologies for this stupid thread. In fact since there was a button to add addresses from the address book, I was looking for a button saying "add an address", and did not think to even try typing directly into the window where all the email addresses of a given are listed.

Anyway, thanks !

Ginhead. 

Hi !

Please, I do not see how constructive comments can spoil anything [:)]. Now, what I had in mind was more directed to users belonging to a network which is often the case in companies and the more and more with individuals at their homes. Let's take the case of the companie, it may be very well the case that there is data on your hard drive that the other users may want to use while you are at lunch, or they may want to put a big file on your folder before leaving to lunch themselves, therefore shutting down your entire station does not seem very appropriate. Of course, if you have a laptop, you can always shut it down or even bring it with you, but I do not think that everyone has a laptop. If you take individuals also, assume you have several movies (backup copies of course) on one hard drive, and that for some reason you have to leave, then you can lock Pegasus Mail and leave the rest "open" so that the movies remain accessible. Anyway, the goal was to suggest an alternative to accounts password-protection, and my idea seemed simpler to implement since we have more or less the same with screensavers under windows. Also, there was concerns relating to this issue which were expressed here or on the mailing list. Of course, this is a rough idea, and I am sure that if it is accepted, then David and the community will make it something much more clever than what I suggested.

Cheers !

Ginhead. 

I am currently working with Lotus Notes at work, and although as I understand, it uses a database approach for mail storage and as such may be different to Pmail's pmm file approach, I noticed a feature which is very handy: Clicking on a category in the folder manager allows you to select an "all documents" view.

This is comparable, I guess, to a search link folder in Pegasus, which includes all emails in the account. I have found this to be very helpful, when one more or less remembers when a email arrived, but does not want to go through the process of entering all the required search parameters.

Maybe this functionality could be developed out of the search functionality in Pegasus, although this search folder would continuously have to be updated.

cheers,

Rolf
 

Hey,

point well taken. But in any case PMail should *not* rename whatever attachment there was with the original message.

Nowadays if people get attachments with names like "WPM$4C87.PM$", that can cause quite a lot of confusion and security concerns, especially if the sender does not mention in his mail that he attached anything to the message at all.

lazy

Using the keyboard to navigate trays / folders is incredibly fast and I use it constantly, however three things would make it even better and get rid of frustrations:

* If the left arrow collapsed the containing tray regardless of  whether  the focus is on a tray or a folder (currently this only happens if it's on a folder for reasons unknown).

* If the quick-select using characters also allowed the use of non-alphabetic characters such as spaces, hyphens, etc. Instead they all reset the selection process, when only one key is really needed to reset it.

* Drag and drop folders onto closed trays. It currently only allows for drag and drop into open trays. It's inconvenient to have to open the receiving tray first then scroll all the way back (I have hundreds of folders in some of my trays).

Any word on whether these will be addressed in the next version ?

Hello everybody!

[quote user="whiskyfizz"]

[quote user="Han v.d. Bogaerde"] 

- rightmouse the incoming sales folder and set the default identity to "sales"

Now when creating a reply or forward, the sales identity will be used.

[/quote] 

The only inconvenient with this method is that it can only be used when replying or forwarding (as pointed out by Han), but unfortunately not (yet maybe ?) when creating a new message, which is precisely what I suggested.

[/quote]

To associate identity to specific folder is a good feature, but it does not work when replying/forwarding email in New mail folder. I tend to reply/forward a mail directly from New mail folder and I need to take care, which identity I'm using.

I will try to summarize all missing features related to this thread:

1. Use associated identity when starting new e-mail message from specific folder.

2. Use correct identity when replying/forwarding e-mail located in New mail folder.

  How Pegasus Mail can choose the correct identity:

  a) Most users have identities based on different email addresses. This is easy, correct identity is choosed by To: field.

  b) When a user has more identities with same e-mail address, Pegasus Mail may try to choose correct identity when replying:

      i. by Name used in To: field (for example I have 2 identities with same address: oficial with my oficial name and my nickname for friends)

      ii. by In-Reply-To: tag in header of message. This can be a lead for Pegasus, which identity was used to compose previous message.

      iii. If Pegasus fails to set correct indentity for replying in cases i) and ii), Pegasus could pop up all identities that match user's e-mail address with To: field and let user to choose correct identity.

For mailing lists,  alternatives a) and b) will probably not work, mailing lists need to be handled in specific folders (filter rule move to folder, default identity to folder).

/haman

The "new mail filtering rules" are (comprehensibly) not being applied to mails which have been

moved beforehand by the Bayesian filter (Spamhalter) to its spam

detection folder.

I would appreciate to also have any way to apply some rules to the mails filtered by Spamhalter.

The most flexible solution I could imagine was implementing a rule action for calling another ruleset. Of course I don't know if this is possible by the workflow design of PMail in the first place.

Background:

Besides many new mail filtering rules in order to move incoming

mails to certain folders, I'm using some more rules at the beginning of

the rule set to colorize the mails by their originating mailbox as a

quick and comfortable indicator.

Today I'm using a workaround by triggering an open-folder-ruleset to the Spamhalter folder, which contains the colorization rules duplicated from the new mail filtering ruleset.

As proposed above adding an action to execute another rulesets seems to be an alternative (or even the best?) approach.

Not only then the colorization rules could be exported into a single ruleset, but also the possibility of rulesets calling each other would extend the general flexibility of the whole rule system enormously.

Okay, now I'm starting to dream... ;-)

Well, in the end - as even nowadays there is a functional workaround - this wish shall not be critical anyway.

Thats all I do. :)

In the "old days" of Pegasus running with the NLM version of Mercury, the option was a simple click and dialogue and it worked very well.

Nowdays, it takes a few more steps:

Option 1: If you run Mercury with Pegasus, then create your message as Pegasus would in the .101 file that gets written to Mercury's queue folder. Then write a batch file that copies the .101 file to the Mercury queue when called. Create a scheduled task in Windows Scheduler to call the given batch file at the appropriate time.

Option 2: If Mercury queues are  not an option, then use Windows Scheduler to call Pegasus, using command line options to create and send a given message at a given time. See the Help pages to find the switches to use.

Perhaps, when David has coded some of the more pressing features into Mercury and Pegasus, the delayed mailing feature (or whatever it was called) might make a reappearance in the Win32 platform.
 

In 10 years, on serveral networks and with a variety of printers, I had never seen pmail have the problems you describe.

And then I realized that the reason I evidently never saw the problem was because I always use stock printer drivers, i.e. ones that come with the system.

It is nonetheless strange that pmail would have a display dependency on a printer. For pre-print rendering, ok, but for display? Different resolution, size, and no margin or page length restrictions. And pmail still works fine even if there is no printer installed at all. Further, whatever the dependency is, it can't possibly be comparable to office/pdf where footnotes and headers/footers/margins/line lengths have to display as printed. Pmail, like any web browser also, is neither strictly wysiwyg, nor does it aspire to become that. Mail - like the web and in contrast to office/pdf - is a screen-targeted medium.

Thank you, very good advice concerning the usage of BearHTML. I always have the latest version running, but did not know about that key combination.

However, concerning my initial post, I prefer to have most of my e-mails displayed "fancy", therefore I have the "display the fancy version"-option turned on, but when printing, I generally prefer plain text, where this very same option is in the way.

lazy

I concur! There's nothing more gone faster than a distribution list you've accidentally deleted.

cheers

Mike

There are a number of places like this where it would really be better if clicking "Cancel" cancelled the entire operation instead of just the one instance.

It's the sort of thing I fix sporadically - it never quite bubbles to the top of the pot, so it depends on me getting annoyed by it myself, or happening to be working on just that specific piece of code. I'll see what I can do.

Cheers!

-- David --

And now it has been over 6 and 1/2 years.  Does anybody know whether it is on the list at all?

I would like to have a command line switch like Pmail for Dos, where it is -r. This shall do the rules and exit pmail after that.

Greetings

Hans-Peter

[quote user="Marcus"]Can you turn off the this alert when you want to discard a new message when you haven't even typed anything? Thanks
[/quote]

No you cannot. 

If you keep your messages reverse-sorted by date, the new messages will come in at the top and everything will be in correct sort order.

Messages marked "urgent" floating to the top, or using the setting "sort unread before read" will slightly skew the list, but it's a lot better than having half your new mail at the top and half at the bottom.

Try it, you might be surprised how quickly you get used to it... it's not as cool and sophisticated as fancy grouping & threading, but it works!

I would like to translate pegasus to my langague.

thanks.