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Agree that it is highly unlikely that fully released 4.81 will add anything in way of this issue.
Did try to install Thunderbird to see what its files looked like, but was hoping it would create files, but seemed to want to link to an account, and I only have my ISP and GMAIL accounts, and didn't want to mess with them.


Not sure what file or files the native Thunderbird uses, or what the exported files creates.


Pegasus creates two files when you create a unix folder.
Example:
0 Aug 14 11:32 UNX07D62.MBX
128 Aug 14 11:32 UNX07D62.PMG


The MBX file is the empty folder data file similar to the PMM file, but missing the beginning 128 bytes that a PMM file has before the messages
The PMG file seems to be exactly what those beginning 128 byte would be.
mbox Bunch of NULLS 5P3WIU4I:2563:UNX07D62


My program would simple create a beginning 128 byte block and add the messages, then a reindex with Pegasus would create the PMI file.


Seems the export doesn't create and MBX file, or uses some other extension or no extension.


Not seeing what exactly Thundbird has or what the export process creates it is hard to know exactly what would be needed.


Used Eudora for a very short time like 40 years ago, but didn't like it. Used Pine with local ISP for a while, but Pegasus from DOS version to current version has always been better. Don't care for the default Evolution email client with Fedora Linux.


Looked for example of thunderbird files, but couldn't find them.
Good luck.


Agree that it is highly unlikely that fully released 4.81 will add anything in way of this issue. Did try to install Thunderbird to see what its files looked like, but was hoping it would create files, but seemed to want to link to an account, and I only have my ISP and GMAIL accounts, and didn't want to mess with them. Not sure what file or files the native Thunderbird uses, or what the exported files creates. Pegasus creates two files when you create a unix folder. Example: 0 Aug 14 11:32 UNX07D62.MBX 128 Aug 14 11:32 UNX07D62.PMG The MBX file is the empty folder data file similar to the PMM file, but missing the beginning 128 bytes that a PMM file has before the messages The PMG file seems to be exactly what those beginning 128 byte would be. mbox Bunch of NULLS 5P3WIU4I:2563:UNX07D62 My program would simple create a beginning 128 byte block and add the messages, then a reindex with Pegasus would create the PMI file. Seems the export doesn't create and MBX file, or uses some other extension or no extension. Not seeing what exactly Thundbird has or what the export process creates it is hard to know exactly what would be needed. Used Eudora for a very short time like 40 years ago, but didn't like it. Used Pine with local ISP for a while, but Pegasus from DOS version to current version has always been better. Don't care for the default Evolution email client with Fedora Linux. Looked for example of thunderbird files, but couldn't find them. Good luck.

mikes@guam.net

Not sure what file or files the native Thunderbird uses, or what the exported files creates.

TB (i.e. its export extension) only creates what Pegasus Mail calls PMM files taking care of all messages starting with a "From" line which denotes the next message according to the rules for an MBOX folder. And the PMG files Pegasus Mail creates after adding the new mailbox to it appear to duplicate the PMI files of PM's default folder format. IOW: There's no need for anyone to mess with any files programmatically other than to ensure the extension-less files to be completed with the MBX extension.
Please don't add any confusing stuff when it's all straight forward. If you don't feel comfortable with this you may create new folders from within Pegasus Mail and copy all messages from the MBOX folders within Pegasus Mail to the new ones (haven't tested whether Pegasus Mail would continue creating MBOX folders in the newly added mailbox, though, but nobody keeps you from creating those new folders outside of it and then move the MBOX messages into these).


[quote="pid:55750, uid:2546"]Not sure what file or files the native Thunderbird uses, or what the exported files creates.[/quote] TB (i.e. its export extension) only creates what Pegasus Mail calls PMM files taking care of all messages starting with a "From" line which denotes the next message according to the rules for an MBOX folder. And the PMG files Pegasus Mail creates after adding the new mailbox to it appear to duplicate the PMI files of PM's default folder format. IOW: There's no need for anyone to mess with any files programmatically other than to ensure the extension-less files to be completed with the MBX extension. Please don't add any confusing stuff when it's all straight forward. If you don't feel comfortable with this you may create new folders from within Pegasus Mail and copy all messages from the MBOX folders within Pegasus Mail to the new ones (haven't tested whether Pegasus Mail would continue creating MBOX folders in the newly added mailbox, though, but nobody keeps you from creating those new folders outside of it and then move the MBOX messages into these).
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edited Aug 14 '23 at 2:32 pm

Just as a test - Not involving Thunderbird at all.
Took a folder with just 22 messages in it.
Created an mbox folder using Pegasus and copied the 22 messages.
Got.
2596 Aug 15 01:48 LYNDAE.PMI
4352 Aug 15 01:48 UNX07D62.PMG


56105 Aug 15 01:48 LYNDAE.PMM
58154 Aug 15 01:48 UNX07D62.MBX


So, was just expecting the MBX file to be 128 bytes shorter since it doesn't have the PMM files beginning 128 byte block, but it is larger rather than smaller?


The PMG file is also much larger than the PMI file.
Tried to compare PMM and MBX files, but messages where in completely different order.
Sorted the lines in each file after extracting the 128 bytes at beginning of PMM file.
Then compared line by line.
Some interesting things. MBX file seems to have an blank space at end of each line, while the PMM does not?
Email address in MBX file changed to ???@??? instead of real email in PMM?
Otherwise most lines were identical


Interesting..


Just as a test - Not involving Thunderbird at all. Took a folder with just 22 messages in it. Created an mbox folder using Pegasus and copied the 22 messages. Got. 2596 Aug 15 01:48 LYNDAE.PMI 4352 Aug 15 01:48 UNX07D62.PMG 56105 Aug 15 01:48 LYNDAE.PMM 58154 Aug 15 01:48 UNX07D62.MBX So, was just expecting the MBX file to be 128 bytes shorter since it doesn't have the PMM files beginning 128 byte block, but it is larger rather than smaller? The PMG file is also much larger than the PMI file. Tried to compare PMM and MBX files, but messages where in completely different order. Sorted the lines in each file after extracting the 128 bytes at beginning of PMM file. Then compared line by line. Some interesting things. MBX file seems to have an blank space at end of each line, while the PMM does not? Email address in MBX file changed to ???@??? instead of real email in PMM? Otherwise most lines were identical Interesting..

mikes@guam.net

Found an interest Bug with my program??
In my original testing, was only dealing with an MBX file that contained a single message so it worked fine.


Now created an MBX Folder and copied contents of a folder with 22 messages to it.
Worked fine, but when I converted that folder from MBX form to PMM Form was getting a single message in resulting file.


Turned out that the PMM file has each message ending with an \x1A, but the MBX file somehome strips that character and changes the From Line as well...


So came up with this process to fix it.
cp UNX07D62.MBX UNX00000.MBX
./mbxtopmm UNX00000.MBX
sed -i 's/From ??/\x1AFrom ??/g' UNX00000.PMM
sed -i '0,/\x1A/ s///' UNX00000.PMM
rm UNX00000.MBX


Copies the Pegasus Created MBX formated folder to another name.
Run my original program but that result is missing the \x1A characters.
The first sed line inserts the \x1A in front of every occurrence of From ?? in file.
Unfortunately, the first one doesn't need a \x1A in front of it, so 2nd sed removes the first occurrence of the \x1A.
Then opening Pegasus and reindexing the folder results in correct 22 messages.


So more complex. Would also present problem if messages have 8bit data.


But interesting... Fun to play with stuff..


Found an interest Bug with my program?? In my original testing, was only dealing with an MBX file that contained a single message so it worked fine. Now created an MBX Folder and copied contents of a folder with 22 messages to it. Worked fine, but when I converted that folder from MBX form to PMM Form was getting a single message in resulting file. Turned out that the PMM file has each message ending with an \x1A, but the MBX file somehome strips that character and changes the From Line as well... So came up with this process to fix it. cp UNX07D62.MBX UNX00000.MBX ./mbxtopmm UNX00000.MBX sed -i 's/From ??/\x1AFrom ??/g' UNX00000.PMM sed -i '0,/\x1A/ s///' UNX00000.PMM rm UNX00000.MBX Copies the Pegasus Created MBX formated folder to another name. Run my original program but that result is missing the \x1A characters. The first sed line inserts the \x1A in front of every occurrence of From ?? in file. Unfortunately, the first one doesn't need a \x1A in front of it, so 2nd sed removes the first occurrence of the \x1A. Then opening Pegasus and reindexing the folder results in correct 22 messages. So more complex. Would also present problem if messages have 8bit data. But interesting... Fun to play with stuff..

mikes@guam.net

OK, for all those who weighed in on this...


I finally got this to work, but it's not exactly obvious...


First, I'm using T'Bird v.102.14.0 and PMail v.4.8.1.1154
Second, I only use POP3, not IMAC; whether any of this is valid for IMAC is a "damfino".
Third, all of my user-defined mail folders are in a directory "Local Folders" in the active Thunderbird folder, the one which ends in ".default-release":


C:\Users[USERNAME]\App Data\Roaming\Thunderbird\Profiles\xxxxx.default-release\Mail\Local Folders[ManyFolders]. The process:


1) Copy only all of the "no extension" files to a temporary folder (I put mine on the Desktop). In that folder, and I found this to be very important, shorten each filename to a single string (no spaces) of 8 characters (it may be OK to use a longer string, but I didn't experiment). Then add extension ".mbx" to each filename. Apparently mbx files much longer, and especially with spaces, cause the recognition by PMail to fail. One example for me was a filename "Orders (Complete) and Receipts" which PMail couldn't "see"; when shortened to "Orders" it worked fine.


2) Copy or move all the modified files into the PMAIL\ADMIN folder (no need to create a separate folder and add it as a new mailbox) and start PMail; all the folders (with ".mbx" extensions) should appear in the Folders pane; no "damaged folder" problems. At this point you can rename each (only in the Folders pane, not in the ADMIN folder), removing the .mbx extension and using the original (long) name; PMail doesn't care since the names in the ADMIN folder don't change.


Many thanks to all who provided info and suggestions; the critical item for me was the comment about PMail and 8.3 filenames (which I should have thought of, having used PMail since it was a DOS program); apparently it's not a universal requirement within PMail, since a new folder can be added via the "Add Folder"option with no apparent restrictions, but it made the difference here.


OK, for all those who weighed in on this... I finally got this to work, but it's not exactly obvious... First, I'm using T'Bird v.102.14.0 and PMail v.4.8.1.1154 Second, I only use POP3, not IMAC; whether any of this is valid for IMAC is a "damfino". Third, all of my user-defined mail folders are in a directory "Local Folders" in the active Thunderbird folder, the one which ends in ".default-release": C:\Users\[USERNAME]\App Data\Roaming\Thunderbird\Profiles\xxxxx.default-release\Mail\Local Folders\[ManyFolders]. The process: 1) Copy *only* all of the "no extension" files to a temporary folder (I put mine on the Desktop). In that folder, and I found this to be *very* important, shorten each filename to a single string (no spaces) of 8 characters (it may be OK to use a longer string, but I didn't experiment). Then add extension ".mbx" to each filename. Apparently mbx files much longer, and especially with spaces, cause the recognition by PMail to fail. One example for me was a filename "Orders (Complete) and Receipts" which PMail couldn't "see"; when shortened to "Orders" it worked fine. 2) Copy or move all the modified files into the PMAIL\ADMIN folder (no need to create a separate folder and add it as a new mailbox) and start PMail; all the folders (with ".mbx" extensions) should appear in the Folders pane; no "damaged folder" problems. At this point you can rename each (only in the Folders pane, *not* in the ADMIN folder), removing the .mbx extension and using the original (long) name; PMail doesn't care since the names in the ADMIN folder don't change. Many thanks to all who provided info and suggestions; the critical item for me was the comment about PMail and 8.3 filenames (which I should have thought of, having used PMail since it was a DOS program); apparently it's not a universal requirement within PMail, since a new folder can be added via the "Add Folder"option with no apparent restrictions, but it made the difference here.
edited Aug 14 '23 at 11:19 pm

Glad you got the process to work.


As a side note, did a test on length of the PMM filenames.
In test found that can rename the folder to length of 15.3.
At that point the folder info option displays the file name correctly and works.
Did find that longer names still worked, but about 15 the filename field seems to overflow the field size and shows random characters, so think the field/structure max's at 15.
Believe the 8.3 goes back to DOS days and early windows.


Have a program that renames folders from ID to match long name or prompts if longer than 8 characters or has blanks. A couple times I typed 9 characters and it worked.
Worked with leaving the shorter ID, but then tested and changing ID at beginning of PMM file also works.
0,0,"5721FE56:66A9:WATTABCDEFGHIJK","29465149:My mailbox","Watt"


Note of any significant value, but I like knowing exactly what folder is what versus the FOL0* names.


Glad you got the process to work. As a side note, did a test on length of the PMM filenames. In test found that can rename the folder to length of 15.3. At that point the folder info option displays the file name correctly and works. Did find that longer names still worked, but about 15 the filename field seems to overflow the field size and shows random characters, so think the field/structure max's at 15. Believe the 8.3 goes back to DOS days and early windows. Have a program that renames folders from ID to match long name or prompts if longer than 8 characters or has blanks. A couple times I typed 9 characters and it worked. Worked with leaving the shorter ID, but then tested and changing ID at beginning of PMM file also works. 0,0,"5721FE56:66A9:WATTABCDEFGHIJK","29465149:My mailbox","Watt" Note of any significant value, but I like knowing exactly what folder is what versus the FOL0* names.

mikes@guam.net

With regard to filename and folder name lengths you need to make a difference here, Mike, since filenames and folder names aren't necessarily the same as you certainly know (except for the MBX file conversion as in this case). Aside from this there may also still be a pathname length limit (it once was 63 characters - including or excluding filename I don't remember) which I haven't tested for a long time anymore.


With regard to filename and folder name lengths you need to make a difference here, Mike, since filenames and folder names aren't necessarily the same as you certainly know (except for the MBX file conversion as in this case). Aside from this there may also still be a pathname length limit (it once was 63 characters - including or excluding filename I don't remember) which I haven't tested for a long time anymore.
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In my case all my folders are in my Mail directory don't have any attached folders, so paths don't apply or she.
My PMAIL directory is about 3.1G in size


Have a little program that check HIERARCH.PM file to make sure folders exist, and checks for Trays but I don't use them.
As can see my program has reset all the folder names over the years, only one that isn't is the Deleted folder, which actually doesn't exist once Pegasus is closed.
Most Folders are 8 or less characters, with a few at 9 by mostly error.
The PMM file has a 128 byte block at beginning. Only know the long name starts at character 1, and the uniq folder id starts at 86, but not clear if there are any other things in there. Almost everything else is just nulls, but have seen some none nulls. Haven't ever found documentation on this.


Mail Folder
"024B349:My mailbox"

Trays

Folders in Trays (Not Main Folder)

Folders in Trays in Main Folder
Mailbox/Tray      2,1,"024B349:My mailbox","Michael Setzer II","Michael Setzer II"
ACCOUNT.PMM     Y 0,0,"16D6FBC5:663A:ACCOUNT","024B349:My mailbox","Account"
AFT.PMM         Y 0,0,"5A1ACD52:097A:AFT","024B349:My mailbox","AFT"
ALUMNI.PMM      Y 0,0,"778BEE16:656D:ALUMNI","024B349:My mailbox","Alumni"
AMAZON.PMM      Y 0,0,"3BF8FBD0:663B:AMAZON","024B349:My mailbox","AMAZON"
AMZOLD.PMM      Y 0,0,"O0DY2II5:023F:AMZOLD","024B349:My mailbox","AMZOLD"
ANALOGX.PMM     Y 0,0,"1C84FBD0:663C:ANALOGX","024B349:My mailbox","Analogx"
BACKUP.PMM      Y 0,0,"67D0FBDF:663F:BACKUP","024B349:My mailbox","Backup"
BILL521.PMM     Y 0,0,"64D8FB72:662F:BILL521","024B349:My mailbox","Bill521"
BLOODBANK.PMM   Y 0,0,"1B9DFC75:6659:BLOODBANK","024B349:My mailbox","Blood Bank"
BOYCOTT.PMM     Y 0,0,"0QB2VFK2:7BE5:BOYCOTT","024B349:My mailbox","Boycott"
BRAIN.PMM       Y 0,0,"01D5FBEC:6641:BRAIN","024B349:My mailbox","Brain Share"
C.PMM           Y 0,0,"AFML8EUK:0F8A:C","024B349:My mailbox","C"
COLLECTZ.PMM    Y 0,0,"069EAFD6:5A1A:COLLECTZ","024B349:My mailbox","CollectZ"
COPY1314.PMM    Y 0,0,"5OUTNTZZ:5CC5:COPY1314","024B349:My mailbox","Copy1314"
COPY2000.PMM    Y 0,0,"UAPFMJM3:7A58:COPY2000","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2000"
COPY2001.PMM    Y 0,0,"NP13X71Y:6176:COPY2001","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2001"
COPY2002.PMM    Y 0,0,"4EP2LN9Z:6177:COPY2002","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2002"
COPY2003.PMM    Y 0,0,"CE0LCQIN:6178:COPY2003","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2003"
COPY2004.PMM    Y 0,0,"RJGEYE3R:6179:COPY2004","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2004"
COPY2005.PMM    Y 0,0,"ZJRXOHCF:617A:COPY2005","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2005"
COPY2006.PMM    Y 0,0,"SBFWUL0V:7536:COPY2006","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2006"
COPY2007.PMM    Y 0,0,"IWHKVB32:6174:COPY2007","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2007"
COPY2008.PMM    Y 0,0,"AY8RGEMX:6175:COPY2008","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2008"
COPY2009.PMM    Y 0,0,"C7X7CSP5:23BE:COPY2009","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2009"
COPY2010.PMM    Y 0,0,"QOOZDVTD:5599:COPY2010","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2010"
COPY2011.PMM    Y 0,0,"0O3QIVY7:559A:COPY2011","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2011"
COPY2012.PMM    Y 0,0,"YMOG8BN4:46D0:COPY2012","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2012"
COPY2015.PMM    Y 0,0,"5MDK54HK:72D0:COPY2015","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2015"
COPY2016.PMM    Y 0,0,"YXBMYZ2F:72D1:COPY2016","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2016"
COPY2017.PMM    Y 0,0,"DACD8HA4:72D2:COPY2017","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2017"
COPY2018.PMM    Y 0,0,"J39XXZ1C:72D3:COPY2018","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2018"
COPYSELF.PMM    Y 0,0,"2BD83F9D:0DF4:COPYSELF","024B349:My mailbox","CopySelf",0,20
CUSTCARE.PMM    Y 0,0,"48F3FCE3:666F:CUSTCARE","024B349:My mailbox","Customer Care"
DAD.PMM         Y 0,0,"184DFC15:6648:DAD","024B349:My mailbox","Dad"
DHARRIS.PMM     Y 0,0,"583E7B7A:113F:DHARRIS","024B349:My mailbox","DHarris"
DISNEY.PMM      Y 0,0,"705FFC25:664B:DISNEY","024B349:My mailbox","Disney"
DONNA_SU.PMM    Y 0,0,"0757FB99:6637:DONNA_SU","024B349:My mailbox","Donna Summers"
EBAY.PMM        Y 0,0,"69C71ECB:7D08:EBAY","024B349:My mailbox","Ebay"
EBAYOLD.PMM     Y 0,0,"1R7XUGGN:2C66:EBAYOLD","024B349:My mailbox","EbayOld"
ELAINE.PMM      Y 0,0,"262EFB99:6638:ELAINE","024B349:My mailbox","Elaine"
ELAINE1.PMM     Y 0,0,"HJA1BB1D:556E:ELAINE1","024B349:My mailbox","Elaine1"
ELAINE2.PMM     Y 0,0,"UO9ISKVO:556F:ELAINE2","024B349:My mailbox","Elaine2"
ELAINE3.PMM     Y 0,0,"PR4BDCNE:5901:ELAINE3","024B349:My mailbox","Elaine3"
FEDORA.PMM      Y 0,0,"0948B824:3D1B:FEDORA","024B349:My mailbox","Fedora"
G4L.PMM         Y 0,0,"DIIIDMTU:0AFD:G4L","024B349:My mailbox","G4L"
G4L0408.PMM     Y 0,0,"3KSSC1HB:6771:G4L0408","024B349:My mailbox","G4L0408"
G4L0909.PMM     Y 0,0,"83DWN76M:7E6A:G4L0909","024B349:My mailbox","G4L0909"
G4L1011.PMM     Y 0,0,"3KDTLD71:6772:G4L1011","024B349:My mailbox","G4L1011"
G4L1213.PMM     Y 0,0,"7Z6IHUB1:6773:G4L1213","024B349:My mailbox","G4L1213"
G4L1418.PMM     Y 0,0,"3H0Q9YJ9:042F:G4L1418","024B349:My mailbox","G4L1418"
G4U.PMM         Y 0,0,"LW7GN12F:31AE:G4U","024B349:My mailbox","G4U"
GFT.PMM         Y 0,0,"1B807959:5B63:GFT","024B349:My mailbox","GFT"
GRC.PMM         Y 0,0,"4060FD28:667D:GRC","024B349:My mailbox","GRC"
GRUB.PMM        Y 0,0,"O2WCFHFD:10C2:GRUB","024B349:My mailbox","Grub"
HARLEY.PMM      Y 0,0,"BF64HBCK:35D9:HARLEY","024B349:My mailbox","Harley"
HERC-XEN.PMM    Y 0,0,"2BA4FCC7:6668:HERC-XEN","024B349:My mailbox","Herc-Xena"
IBM.PMM         Y 0,0,"15B7FCBB:6666:IBM","024B349:My mailbox","IBM"
JAY.PMM         Y 0,0,"478E975C:16D1:JAY","024B349:My mailbox","Jay"
JUNK.PMM        Y 0,0,"00C0FD35:667E:JUNK","024B349:My mailbox","Junk or suspicious mail"
KERNEL.PMM      Y 0,0,"C1UU809Q:5FC2:KERNEL","024B349:My mailbox","Kernel"
KEVIN.PMM       Y 0,0,"25EDFD89:668C:KEVIN","024B349:My mailbox","Kevin"
KUENTOS.PMM     Y 0,0,"0D44FCF3:6670:KUENTOS","024B349:My mailbox","Kuentos"
LIBRE.PMM       Y 0,0,"UDCKE6GE:7DD0:LIBRE","024B349:My mailbox","Libre Office"
LINUX.PMM       Y 0,0,"6FB3FD95:668F:LINUX","024B349:My mailbox","Linux"
LYNDAE.PMM      Y 0,0,"556CFDB1:6690:LYNDAE","024B349:My mailbox","LyndaE"
MAIN.PMM        Y 0,0,"0694FC35:664D:MAIN","024B349:My mailbox","Main Folder"
MAIN2003.PMM    Y 0,0,"DJHBYUKV:5478:MAIN2003","024B349:My mailbox","Main2003"
MAIN2004.PMM    Y 0,0,"DVM87FYO:5479:MAIN2004","024B349:My mailbox","Main2004"
MAIN2005.PMM    Y 0,0,"60TOHB32:4255:MAIN2005","024B349:My mailbox","Main2005"
MAIN2006.PMM    Y 0,0,"5Y00PGC7:5D6D:MAIN2006","024B349:My mailbox","Main2006"
MAIN2007.PMM    Y 0,0,"E5JG7AV3:5D6E:MAIN2007","024B349:My mailbox","Main2007"
MAIN2008.PMM    Y 0,0,"ZA2JSAID:3FA2:MAIN2008","024B349:My mailbox","Main2008"
MERCURY.PMM     Y 0,0,"1AD6FCBB:6667:MERCURY","024B349:My mailbox","Mercury"
MOM.PMM         Y 0,0,"12DDFE72:66AE:MOM","024B349:My mailbox","Mom"
OPENCOB.PMM     Y 0,0,"Z6A3JHPE:28AA:OPENCOB","024B349:My mailbox","Open Cobol"
PM-NEWS.PMM     Y 0,0,"264FFDF7:669D:PM-NEWS","024B349:My mailbox","PM-News"
PMAIL.PMM       Y 0,0,"019AFDF7:669C:PMAIL","024B349:My mailbox","Pegasus Mail List"
PMAIL2020.PMM   Y 0,0,"E8OJWE5E:571D:PMAIL2020","024B349:My mailbox","PMAIL2020"
PMAIL2021.PMM   Y 0,0,"EM1LN1WP:571E:PMAIL2021","024B349:My mailbox","PMAIL2021"
PMAIL2022.PMM   Y 0,0,"T7N2J0AW:4D5B:PMAIL2022","024B349:My mailbox","PMAIL2022"
REDHAT.PMM      Y 0,0,"2BB74576:0A72:REDHAT","024B349:My mailbox","RedHat"
SALIVE.PMM      Y 0,0,"3TMH6SFS:19C1:SALIVE","024B349:My mailbox","Salive"
SETI.PMM        Y 0,0,"52C4FE03:669F:SETI","024B349:My mailbox","Seti"
SPAM.PMM        Y 0,0,"3B8BA31E:0943:SPAM","024B349:My mailbox","Spam"
SPAMH.PMM       Y 0,0,"IK1H7AZT:54C9:SPAMH","024B349:My mailbox","SpamH"
SQUID.PMM       Y 0,0,"2UE9GFDF:75EF:SQUID","024B349:My mailbox","Squid"
SYSLINUX.PMM    Y 0,0,"BP4JRIND:32D5:SYSLINUX","024B349:My mailbox","Syslinux"
TIGHTVNC.PMM    Y 0,0,"0D5DFB57:1E25:TIGHTVNC","024B349:My mailbox","TightVnc"
TISHAWNN.PMM    Y 0,0,"ECHSJGQS:3985:TISHAWNN","024B349:My mailbox","Tishawnna"
USPS.PMM        Y 0,0,"FDI909TU:4AC0:USPS","024B349:My mailbox","USPS"
USPS2018.PMM    Y 0,0,"FUIF553Y:23DE:USPS2018","024B349:My mailbox","USPS2018"
USPS2019.PMM    Y 0,0,"8QM3VKXP:3337:USPS2019","024B349:My mailbox","USPS2019"
USPS2020.PMM    Y 0,0,"V3VV7J9V:3338:USPS2020","024B349:My mailbox","USPS2020"
USPS2021.PMM    Y 0,0,"MRHQQDQ7:3873:USPS2021","024B349:My mailbox","USPS2021"
WATT.PMM        Y 0,0,"5721FE56:66A9:WATT","024B349:My mailbox","Watt"
WEBCAL.PMM      Y 0,0,"5C8F36E1:170C:WEBCAL","024B349:My mailbox","WebCal"
ZHAOPEI.PMM     Y 0,0,"25CC2EA6:27EF:ZHAOPEI","024B349:My mailbox","Zhaopei"
FOL049CE.PMM    N 0,256,"1NM5CY8V:2C62:FOL049CE","024B349:My mailbox","Deleted Messages",0,20

So, you might be correct. I just go back to the old Pegasus Mail with DOS with Novell Servers, and the DOS version actually allowed you to rename Folders. You can still change Long Folder names, but the Folders will all have the FOL0xxxx names.


Had a few Messages with Mr. Harris, and he seems very busy with Version 5 work, and sounds very impressive. Will be nice, but 4.81pb3 is very nice as is.
Thanks to all that work on Pegasus or are just users.


In my case all my folders are in my Mail directory don't have any attached folders, so paths don't apply or she. My PMAIL directory is about 3.1G in size Have a little program that check HIERARCH.PM file to make sure folders exist, and checks for Trays but I don't use them. As can see my program has reset all the folder names over the years, only one that isn't is the Deleted folder, which actually doesn't exist once Pegasus is closed. Most Folders are 8 or less characters, with a few at 9 by mostly error. The PMM file has a 128 byte block at beginning. Only know the long name starts at character 1, and the uniq folder id starts at 86, but not clear if there are any other things in there. Almost everything else is just nulls, but have seen some none nulls. Haven't ever found documentation on this. ```` Mail Folder "024B349:My mailbox" Trays Folders in Trays (Not Main Folder) Folders in Trays in Main Folder Mailbox/Tray 2,1,"024B349:My mailbox","Michael Setzer II","Michael Setzer II" ACCOUNT.PMM Y 0,0,"16D6FBC5:663A:ACCOUNT","024B349:My mailbox","Account" AFT.PMM Y 0,0,"5A1ACD52:097A:AFT","024B349:My mailbox","AFT" ALUMNI.PMM Y 0,0,"778BEE16:656D:ALUMNI","024B349:My mailbox","Alumni" AMAZON.PMM Y 0,0,"3BF8FBD0:663B:AMAZON","024B349:My mailbox","AMAZON" AMZOLD.PMM Y 0,0,"O0DY2II5:023F:AMZOLD","024B349:My mailbox","AMZOLD" ANALOGX.PMM Y 0,0,"1C84FBD0:663C:ANALOGX","024B349:My mailbox","Analogx" BACKUP.PMM Y 0,0,"67D0FBDF:663F:BACKUP","024B349:My mailbox","Backup" BILL521.PMM Y 0,0,"64D8FB72:662F:BILL521","024B349:My mailbox","Bill521" BLOODBANK.PMM Y 0,0,"1B9DFC75:6659:BLOODBANK","024B349:My mailbox","Blood Bank" BOYCOTT.PMM Y 0,0,"0QB2VFK2:7BE5:BOYCOTT","024B349:My mailbox","Boycott" BRAIN.PMM Y 0,0,"01D5FBEC:6641:BRAIN","024B349:My mailbox","Brain Share" C.PMM Y 0,0,"AFML8EUK:0F8A:C","024B349:My mailbox","C" COLLECTZ.PMM Y 0,0,"069EAFD6:5A1A:COLLECTZ","024B349:My mailbox","CollectZ" COPY1314.PMM Y 0,0,"5OUTNTZZ:5CC5:COPY1314","024B349:My mailbox","Copy1314" COPY2000.PMM Y 0,0,"UAPFMJM3:7A58:COPY2000","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2000" COPY2001.PMM Y 0,0,"NP13X71Y:6176:COPY2001","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2001" COPY2002.PMM Y 0,0,"4EP2LN9Z:6177:COPY2002","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2002" COPY2003.PMM Y 0,0,"CE0LCQIN:6178:COPY2003","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2003" COPY2004.PMM Y 0,0,"RJGEYE3R:6179:COPY2004","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2004" COPY2005.PMM Y 0,0,"ZJRXOHCF:617A:COPY2005","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2005" COPY2006.PMM Y 0,0,"SBFWUL0V:7536:COPY2006","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2006" COPY2007.PMM Y 0,0,"IWHKVB32:6174:COPY2007","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2007" COPY2008.PMM Y 0,0,"AY8RGEMX:6175:COPY2008","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2008" COPY2009.PMM Y 0,0,"C7X7CSP5:23BE:COPY2009","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2009" COPY2010.PMM Y 0,0,"QOOZDVTD:5599:COPY2010","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2010" COPY2011.PMM Y 0,0,"0O3QIVY7:559A:COPY2011","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2011" COPY2012.PMM Y 0,0,"YMOG8BN4:46D0:COPY2012","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2012" COPY2015.PMM Y 0,0,"5MDK54HK:72D0:COPY2015","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2015" COPY2016.PMM Y 0,0,"YXBMYZ2F:72D1:COPY2016","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2016" COPY2017.PMM Y 0,0,"DACD8HA4:72D2:COPY2017","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2017" COPY2018.PMM Y 0,0,"J39XXZ1C:72D3:COPY2018","024B349:My mailbox","Copy2018" COPYSELF.PMM Y 0,0,"2BD83F9D:0DF4:COPYSELF","024B349:My mailbox","CopySelf",0,20 CUSTCARE.PMM Y 0,0,"48F3FCE3:666F:CUSTCARE","024B349:My mailbox","Customer Care" DAD.PMM Y 0,0,"184DFC15:6648:DAD","024B349:My mailbox","Dad" DHARRIS.PMM Y 0,0,"583E7B7A:113F:DHARRIS","024B349:My mailbox","DHarris" DISNEY.PMM Y 0,0,"705FFC25:664B:DISNEY","024B349:My mailbox","Disney" DONNA_SU.PMM Y 0,0,"0757FB99:6637:DONNA_SU","024B349:My mailbox","Donna Summers" EBAY.PMM Y 0,0,"69C71ECB:7D08:EBAY","024B349:My mailbox","Ebay" EBAYOLD.PMM Y 0,0,"1R7XUGGN:2C66:EBAYOLD","024B349:My mailbox","EbayOld" ELAINE.PMM Y 0,0,"262EFB99:6638:ELAINE","024B349:My mailbox","Elaine" ELAINE1.PMM Y 0,0,"HJA1BB1D:556E:ELAINE1","024B349:My mailbox","Elaine1" ELAINE2.PMM Y 0,0,"UO9ISKVO:556F:ELAINE2","024B349:My mailbox","Elaine2" ELAINE3.PMM Y 0,0,"PR4BDCNE:5901:ELAINE3","024B349:My mailbox","Elaine3" FEDORA.PMM Y 0,0,"0948B824:3D1B:FEDORA","024B349:My mailbox","Fedora" G4L.PMM Y 0,0,"DIIIDMTU:0AFD:G4L","024B349:My mailbox","G4L" G4L0408.PMM Y 0,0,"3KSSC1HB:6771:G4L0408","024B349:My mailbox","G4L0408" G4L0909.PMM Y 0,0,"83DWN76M:7E6A:G4L0909","024B349:My mailbox","G4L0909" G4L1011.PMM Y 0,0,"3KDTLD71:6772:G4L1011","024B349:My mailbox","G4L1011" G4L1213.PMM Y 0,0,"7Z6IHUB1:6773:G4L1213","024B349:My mailbox","G4L1213" G4L1418.PMM Y 0,0,"3H0Q9YJ9:042F:G4L1418","024B349:My mailbox","G4L1418" G4U.PMM Y 0,0,"LW7GN12F:31AE:G4U","024B349:My mailbox","G4U" GFT.PMM Y 0,0,"1B807959:5B63:GFT","024B349:My mailbox","GFT" GRC.PMM Y 0,0,"4060FD28:667D:GRC","024B349:My mailbox","GRC" GRUB.PMM Y 0,0,"O2WCFHFD:10C2:GRUB","024B349:My mailbox","Grub" HARLEY.PMM Y 0,0,"BF64HBCK:35D9:HARLEY","024B349:My mailbox","Harley" HERC-XEN.PMM Y 0,0,"2BA4FCC7:6668:HERC-XEN","024B349:My mailbox","Herc-Xena" IBM.PMM Y 0,0,"15B7FCBB:6666:IBM","024B349:My mailbox","IBM" JAY.PMM Y 0,0,"478E975C:16D1:JAY","024B349:My mailbox","Jay" JUNK.PMM Y 0,0,"00C0FD35:667E:JUNK","024B349:My mailbox","Junk or suspicious mail" KERNEL.PMM Y 0,0,"C1UU809Q:5FC2:KERNEL","024B349:My mailbox","Kernel" KEVIN.PMM Y 0,0,"25EDFD89:668C:KEVIN","024B349:My mailbox","Kevin" KUENTOS.PMM Y 0,0,"0D44FCF3:6670:KUENTOS","024B349:My mailbox","Kuentos" LIBRE.PMM Y 0,0,"UDCKE6GE:7DD0:LIBRE","024B349:My mailbox","Libre Office" LINUX.PMM Y 0,0,"6FB3FD95:668F:LINUX","024B349:My mailbox","Linux" LYNDAE.PMM Y 0,0,"556CFDB1:6690:LYNDAE","024B349:My mailbox","LyndaE" MAIN.PMM Y 0,0,"0694FC35:664D:MAIN","024B349:My mailbox","Main Folder" MAIN2003.PMM Y 0,0,"DJHBYUKV:5478:MAIN2003","024B349:My mailbox","Main2003" MAIN2004.PMM Y 0,0,"DVM87FYO:5479:MAIN2004","024B349:My mailbox","Main2004" MAIN2005.PMM Y 0,0,"60TOHB32:4255:MAIN2005","024B349:My mailbox","Main2005" MAIN2006.PMM Y 0,0,"5Y00PGC7:5D6D:MAIN2006","024B349:My mailbox","Main2006" MAIN2007.PMM Y 0,0,"E5JG7AV3:5D6E:MAIN2007","024B349:My mailbox","Main2007" MAIN2008.PMM Y 0,0,"ZA2JSAID:3FA2:MAIN2008","024B349:My mailbox","Main2008" MERCURY.PMM Y 0,0,"1AD6FCBB:6667:MERCURY","024B349:My mailbox","Mercury" MOM.PMM Y 0,0,"12DDFE72:66AE:MOM","024B349:My mailbox","Mom" OPENCOB.PMM Y 0,0,"Z6A3JHPE:28AA:OPENCOB","024B349:My mailbox","Open Cobol" PM-NEWS.PMM Y 0,0,"264FFDF7:669D:PM-NEWS","024B349:My mailbox","PM-News" PMAIL.PMM Y 0,0,"019AFDF7:669C:PMAIL","024B349:My mailbox","Pegasus Mail List" PMAIL2020.PMM Y 0,0,"E8OJWE5E:571D:PMAIL2020","024B349:My mailbox","PMAIL2020" PMAIL2021.PMM Y 0,0,"EM1LN1WP:571E:PMAIL2021","024B349:My mailbox","PMAIL2021" PMAIL2022.PMM Y 0,0,"T7N2J0AW:4D5B:PMAIL2022","024B349:My mailbox","PMAIL2022" REDHAT.PMM Y 0,0,"2BB74576:0A72:REDHAT","024B349:My mailbox","RedHat" SALIVE.PMM Y 0,0,"3TMH6SFS:19C1:SALIVE","024B349:My mailbox","Salive" SETI.PMM Y 0,0,"52C4FE03:669F:SETI","024B349:My mailbox","Seti" SPAM.PMM Y 0,0,"3B8BA31E:0943:SPAM","024B349:My mailbox","Spam" SPAMH.PMM Y 0,0,"IK1H7AZT:54C9:SPAMH","024B349:My mailbox","SpamH" SQUID.PMM Y 0,0,"2UE9GFDF:75EF:SQUID","024B349:My mailbox","Squid" SYSLINUX.PMM Y 0,0,"BP4JRIND:32D5:SYSLINUX","024B349:My mailbox","Syslinux" TIGHTVNC.PMM Y 0,0,"0D5DFB57:1E25:TIGHTVNC","024B349:My mailbox","TightVnc" TISHAWNN.PMM Y 0,0,"ECHSJGQS:3985:TISHAWNN","024B349:My mailbox","Tishawnna" USPS.PMM Y 0,0,"FDI909TU:4AC0:USPS","024B349:My mailbox","USPS" USPS2018.PMM Y 0,0,"FUIF553Y:23DE:USPS2018","024B349:My mailbox","USPS2018" USPS2019.PMM Y 0,0,"8QM3VKXP:3337:USPS2019","024B349:My mailbox","USPS2019" USPS2020.PMM Y 0,0,"V3VV7J9V:3338:USPS2020","024B349:My mailbox","USPS2020" USPS2021.PMM Y 0,0,"MRHQQDQ7:3873:USPS2021","024B349:My mailbox","USPS2021" WATT.PMM Y 0,0,"5721FE56:66A9:WATT","024B349:My mailbox","Watt" WEBCAL.PMM Y 0,0,"5C8F36E1:170C:WEBCAL","024B349:My mailbox","WebCal" ZHAOPEI.PMM Y 0,0,"25CC2EA6:27EF:ZHAOPEI","024B349:My mailbox","Zhaopei" FOL049CE.PMM N 0,256,"1NM5CY8V:2C62:FOL049CE","024B349:My mailbox","Deleted Messages",0,20 ```` So, you might be correct. I just go back to the old Pegasus Mail with DOS with Novell Servers, and the DOS version actually allowed you to rename Folders. You can still change Long Folder names, but the Folders will all have the FOL0xxxx names. Had a few Messages with Mr. Harris, and he seems very busy with Version 5 work, and sounds very impressive. Will be nice, but 4.81pb3 is very nice as is. Thanks to all that work on Pegasus or are just users.

mikes@guam.net

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