Merci Philippe!

[;)] 

A+

François

Hi.

I'd like to suggest the addition of a button to put an horizontal line into a RTF email.

Should be quite simple to implement, I guess.

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,

François

As far as I can tell, there is no RTF command to draw a line of unknown length. In html the HR command streches dynamically to display or print page size.

So an RTF editor button or menu command would have to invoke an external service with current width information and calculate how many horizontal dashes would be needed.

But I cannot see any simple way to achieve this in MS Word either?

Martin 

Thanks Martin.

I thought PM's RTF was just another name for HTML.

Best regards,

François

[quote user="François Blais"]

Thanks Martin.

I thought PM's RTF was just another name for HTML.

Best regards,

François

[/quote]

RTF Rich Text Format

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Text_Format

Has been around since the 80's. To the best of my knowledge the standard is still owned by Microsoft

[quote user="Nighthawk"]To the best of my knowledge [RTF] is still owned by Microsoft[/quote]

You're quite right.  There are other implementations of RTF.  Over on the Mac, for example, a form of RTF is used quite widely, as it was on OS X's predecessor NeXT.  However, essentially Microsoft do control RTF and can (and do) change it as and when it suits them -- which was the substance of a legal complaint made by Novell against them.

As Rob Wier comments in Those who forget Santayana:

[quote]Note also that Novell is not complaining here about Microsoft's control of the binary DOC format (and its many variations). Instead, what Novell complains about is Microsoft's control over the document exchange format RTF, or Rich Text Format, used in those days to exchange data between word processors. He who controls RTF, controls document exchange, controls vendor lock-in and has the sole means of improving the fidelity of document exchanges. (My emphasis)[/quote]

RTF is not, in any case, a valid format for email communication on the Internet (and should not be confused with text/enriched, which is -- but which is now, effectively, obsoleted by HTML email).  It should never be put "on the wire" -- although Microsoft Outlook (unforgivably) does, thereby (perhaps intentionally) causing problems for non-Microsoft email clients.

But, AFAIK, Pegasus Mail will only ever use RTF for Internal communication in an all-Microsoft environment -- and even then then only when that option is specifically checked in its preferences.

Thanks for all the explanations.

Now's the time for the stupid question: when will PM be able to send HTML mail?

On the other hand, if MS client that use RTF can read HTML too, how about replacing the RTF encoding by HTML? 

Best regards,

François

[quote user="François Blais"] when will PM be able to send HTML mail?[/quote]

It has been able to for many years.  Check the 'Rich Text' button when composing.  It may not be obvious but the option has worked since the early 4.x versions.

Now I'm really confused...

Martin tells me PM sends RTF and Paul tells me it sends HTML, all in the same thread.

[*-)]

Best regards,

François

[quote user="François Blais"]Martin tells me PM sends RTF and Paul tells me it sends HTML, all in the same thread.[/quote]

Ha! I couldn't see anywhere in this thread where Martin said that - I beieve the editor works in RTF, but externally the message goes out as HTML (well, XHTML 1.0 Transitional to be precise).

The help details HTML configuration in the 'Options' sections - 'Message and reply settings' and 'Message formatting preferences', and, as you hinted earlier, sometimes uses 'Rich Text' where it might use 'HTML'.

 paul

Thanks Paul.

So that means my suggestion to be able to add an horizontal line in PM's editor is valable?

Can we get Mr. Harris' opinion on this, please?

Best regards,

François

TER is a rich Text editor (a.k.a RTF)  Everything that comes into Pegasus Mail gets converted into RTF, even Html which goes through an extra process to convert Html into RTF.  On the way out, everything gets converted from RTF to Text and/or Html, depending on your user settings. 

Bearhtml is only used on the incoming side to render html in a viewer. If you reply or forward, the html is then passed through the same conversion process into RTF and presented in a Rich Edit editor.

As I stated before, there is no way to introduce a "HR" equivalent, as the length of the horizontal line is determined at viewing time, not composition time. The only reformatting done in a RTF world is for flowing text to left and right boundaries to allow left, right, or justified text.  I have not yet investigated what happens when Pegasus Mail detects an incoming HR to see what RTF gets generated. (another day...)

Martin 

[quote user="François Blais"]

So that means my suggestion to be able to add an horizontal line in PM's editor is valable?

Thank you very much for the explanations, Mr Harris.

Very appreciated!

I'd like to take the opportunity to thank you for your work.

Can we expect a new release in the next months? (general question; not related to my query)

Best regards,

François Blais

[quote user="François Blais"]

Thank you very much for the explanations, Mr Harris.

[/quote]

Well, sometimes it's worth asking these things. I had a discussion with the developer of the TER editor, and he has agreed to modify the TER/HTS source to allow horizontal rules in the generated HTML. I've received the updated code and will be retrofitting it in the next couple of days.

[quote user="François Blais"]

Can we expect a new release in the next months? (general question; not related to my query)

Thank you very much!

This is extremely appreciated!

Will I need to uninstall the french localization (4.41) to install this new version?

Best regards,

François

Hi François

No, it won't be necessary to uninstal the French localization but if you prefer you can do it (but you'll lose the autoreplacement list and the French spell checker). If you don't uninstall the French localization don't forget to inactivate it in the pegasus.ini file or in your shorcut target, depending on how you decided to launch PM in French.

Don't worry, a French localization for the new version will be furbished ASAP (maybe at the same time).

Regards